Theos-Talk Archives (October 1999 Message tt00019)

Oct 9th

Dear Doss:

Your observation about the "leadership" of the TS are interesting.

You seem to be asking if the "leadership" is still carrying out in
practice the ideals and objects that inspired the original formation
of the TS.  Look around you and ask yourself if the TS is still
oriented as the Mahatmas and HPB intended.

Take a copy to day of the latest monthly THEOSOPHIST, Madras, and
compare it with any issue published by HPB in the first 5 years of the
Magazine as published in India between the years 1879 and 1895.  That
tells the tale immediately.

May I point out that in ancient Hindu concepts the immortality of the
Spirit/Soul was always recognized -- hence the matter of physiological
age in any one incarnation was not a factor that would enhance or
impair WISDOM.

Respect was always given to the experienced.  And such experience was
represented symbolically by "old age."  The Rishis were usually
depicted as mature if not elderly "men."  With the exception  of the
Dakshinamurti verse (Shankaracharya) which reads:

Lo the mystery of the Banyan tree !
Behold !  The Teacher is a youth,
And the disciples are elders.

The teaching is SILENCE -- Yet
The doubts of the pupils are dispelled.


But the manifestation of that WISDOM might be through what seems to be
a "young body," or, through an "older one."   It is the responsibility
of the disciples to observe and to learn and then to apply that which
is true and correct.

On the other hand there are those who are old in body but have not
been able to acquire or demonstrate WISDOM in their conduct of
affairs.

Of course if we deny that here is any value to WISDOM or to age, then
the whole thing falls apart.

But in any case WISDOM does not depend on physiological age, but on
the power of the individual SPIRIT (the KRISHNA who is within each of
us).  It is up to the "Personality" to establish contact and then to
manifest that WISDOM which is universal, interior to all humans
equally, and comes from the HIGHER SELF  (Sri KRISHNA) who is truly
interior to every one of us.  Do we let Sri Krishna speak through us ?
Or do we keep the door closed to our "Voice of Conscience ?"

In the GITA we find:  "Thus I incarnate from age to age for the
preservation of the just and the establishment of righteousness."  "I
am the EGO which is seated in the Hearts of all beings."  "I am the
beginning, the middle and the end of all existing things."  Those are
important ideas for the willing Personality to meditate on.

But in no way does the GITA automatically give any license to those
who are only "old in body" to lead or dominate others in an
unrighteous manner.

These are my views on the subject.

Dallas



Dallas
dalval@nwc.net 


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com
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Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 5:00 PM
To: theos-l@list.vnet.net
Subject: Theos-World TS organizations today


In 1875 when TS was launched, world conditions were very different.
Primarily transportation and communication was difficult at best.
While TS
was launched as an organization for the encompassing the whole world -
Universal Brotherhood, it had to be organized within in geographical
boundaries due to political and linguistic reasons including the need
to
have people meet and interact in various cities within each country.
So
this in turn lead to amassing of real estate wealth due to donors who
thought their generosity will further the progress of Theosophy. This
in
turn degenerated into local politicking that always follows money and
the
desire to control the congregation by one technique or the other. This
has
ultimately led to the organizations end up being lead by greying
leadership. Considering the fact that all major advancements in the
world
has been led by young men and women and not by greying leadership. All
one
needs is to refresh one readings in history. So we seem to be at a
stage
where the organizations as they are now have no where else to go but
South.

In today's world, the current transportation and communication
technology
coupled with the entire world getting used to use English as a general
medium of communication one can think in terms of the entire world not
in
terms of a particular country or nation with its geographical and
political
boundaries. So there appears to be no reason for any theosophical
purpose
for organizations organized on geographical or political boundaries;
and as
a matter of fact such artificial organizations are fast giving way to
transnational worldwide approach. All this is furthered primarily due
to
what Internet is able to do. One is now able to "organize"
internationally
and be active round the clock round the year. We can all communicate
on
equal footing with no national or political boundaries and this is
taking
place everyday on this forum and others.

With the above scenario, we can see in a couple of years, all the
traditionally organized theosophical organizations by passed by
serious
students who are interested in theosophy and not in theosophical
politics,
even though some may feel being immersed in theosophical politics they
are
furthering the interests of theosophy.

Any thoughts?

Mkr

PS: the above reasoning may suggest one of the possible reasons why
the
elected officials at national and international levels (and their
followers) have kept away from maillists such as these whether on
their own
or due to being influenced by the leadership above it.

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