Theos-Talk Archives (April 1999 Message tt00126)

In a message dated 4/12/99 4:12:59 PM, schuelergerald@optec-hq.optec.army.mil 
writes:

>>>How about the "meditation without a seed" spoken of by Patanjali? <<
>
>It takes a good bit of imagination to envision "formlessness."

Is that a Joke?  Or, just out of curiosity, must you always answer every 
question with a nonsensical statement?  I ask you, in all seriousness... 
Please inform me what "formlessness looks like so I can picture or "image" it 
in my mind?  (Or, are you going to come up with another definition of what 
the word "imagination" really means, or tell us what you "really meant" by 
saying it was the ONLY way for achieving enlightenment?:~) 

>Whatever the goal or target of any meditation, it first must
>be visualized or imagined by the yogi before it can be
>directly experienced.

Meditation "without a seed," means meditation without any goal or target.  
How can the "emptiness" exist or be imagined? And, how can you target 
something that doesn't exist?  Didn't you say there was no Self?  So, what's 
to be targeted?  What's to be imagined? 

One can only reach a consciousness of "emptiness" by being empty of ANY sort 
of conception or image.  Otherwise, how does one get past the clutter and 
"noise" of the mind?  That's where imagination sits.  The "realization of the 
Self" or of pire "formlessness" has nothing to do with picturing anything, 
and your advised practice, is nothing but low level psychism (or "magick") 
not meditation, and will still not get you any further than the lower Akashic 
planes. (That is, if you can get through the Astral.)  Besides, imagining 
something, IS "experiencing" it.  So, how is the yogi going to know that what 
he imagines is the real goal he is trying to achieve?  

LHM

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