Theos-Talk Archives (April 1999 Message tt00067)

>>If the pull of the animal is so strong that the selfishness prevails
and atrocities are committed then the Divine Monad, suffers enormously. 
Just as a mother suffers vicariously to see a wayward child of hers who
performs deeds or says words that are selfish and injurious to others
and ultimately to itself.>>

I can't see the divine monad suffering anything. It does not
"see" us like a mother sees her child (both mother and child
are on the same cosmic planes).  

Any experience of the divine monad, as given at times
by the world's mystics, is always one of rapture, perfection,
and oneness. No mystic has ever reported suffering.


>>In our heart's depths we always know that we cannot "escape" the
results of our sins and wrong-doings. <<

What exactly do you mean here Dallas? How do you define
"escape" in the above statement?  You seem to be suggesting
the old Moses law of an eye-for-an-eye forever. I hope not.
Maybe we can use the phrase come-to-terms-with instead
of escape-from?  We can, I like to think, see our karma for
what it really is and no longer be bound up by it. Is this an
escape? I have always liked the term karmic burden because
burdens can be put down. 


>>Karma operates always, and those who murder or torture will in some
life learn by being subjected to those forces just how terrible is the
emotional and feeling condition of one who is weak and powerless in the
hands of the merciless.>>

It could be. But it may not too. You apparently want to see
justice done very badly. Just remember that we all have our
own view as to what justice is. "Vengence is mine sayeth
the Lord."  So lets let God alias Karma worry about bringing
justice on earth while we go ahead and do the best that we 
can without judging others. OK?


>> ...and if we adopt religions that offer false hopes and the remission
of sins which they cannot do...>>

Oh, but they do indeed. At least in a psychological sense.
There are only two possibilites: (1). The view of karma as
one in which every single cause must always produce an 
effect which is in turn a cause for another effect and so
on forever and forever and forever, which seems to be your 
viewpoint, Dallas, or (2) The view that one's personal karma 
can be allieviated, that cause/effect can sometimes be
cancelled out, and even eliminated in the sense that there
can be causes without effects and effects without causes.
In a Christian sense, view no 1 is the old law of Moses while
view no 2 is that of Jesus.  Obviously I prefer view no 2.


>>Much more can be added to this in the light of theosophy, but, perhaps
this is a beginning.>>

I hope that you aren't saying that Theosophy teaches
Karma View 1 as defined above. Can I still be a
Theosophist holding View 2 or should I quit?

Jerry S.




                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                              

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