Theos-Talk Archives (February 1999 Message tt00059)

Feb 7th

Dallas offers some references on "Abnormal Death and Karma"
Per request in

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-----Original Message-----
LeonMaurer@aol.com
Sent:	Sunday, February 07, 1999 2:09 AM
Subject:	Re: Theos-World Emptiness, Evolution and etc...

In a message dated 2/5/99 8:56:32 AM, dport@ozemail.com.au
writes:

>Here's a theory:
>
>After passing through all evolutionary forms, re-entering the
source and
>starting again (after a manvantara), would a monad start again
the process
>at the next evolution -

	SNIP

Here's another theory...

But, first, is it correct to speak of an "atom" as "having
attained the
highest whatever the hell it is we want to call it"?  I thought
only a
sentient-human monad could "attain" or achieve anything--"by self
devised and
self determined efforts"--after the lighting up of its manas.
Doesn't
theosophy teach that all a monad can do after passing through all
evolutionary
forms in one manvantara is continue on to higher forms in the
next--in further
fulfillment of its karma?  If so, then how can it start all over
as a simple
"atom"?  (Also, are we correct in speaking of an "atom" having a
"monad"?  Or,
is the word "monad," in theosophical parlance, relegated only to
the higher,
godlike nature of humanity?)


DALLAS	As I understand it, MONADS  (Atma-Buddhi-Manas) are
immortal centers of unitary Force and Perception.  They are
directly derived from the ABSOLUTENESS.  In Manifestation
(Manvantara) they and the primordial matter which is associated
with them, forms at first that which is called in the S D the
"MONADIC ESSENCE.

All material forms starting with the smallest (not only the
physical atom, but its components and primordial predecessors)
begin a pilgrimage which leads them into all the phases of
"material" experience - so that they will pass through and
experience  those conditions.  Eventually, having developed the
necessary faculties of perception in those conditions they reach
man's condition and the MIND faculty is the next one to be
developed.  We are at the beginning of that stage.

Our Minds, though free and independent and able to choose, are
still closely allied with the animal-like faulty of KAMA, or
desire and passion.  From this alliance arises most of our
troubles - those we call "bad karma."  By following "desires and
passions" with a reckless short-sighted concern for any
consequences, we act selfishly and deform the smooth currents of
natural Karmic evolution.  The deformation caused reacts on us
and tries to make us see how we erred and how we can repair the
damage.

Accidents, and restrictions that come without apparent cause may
be the result of actions chosen in this life or may be
"carry-overs" of unsettled accounts from an earlier life.  The
immortal MONAD is supposed to be able to train the developing
LOWER MANAS - or that Mental Faculty that results from the
control and guidance of the Kamic faculties into a cooperative
stance in accord with nature and all its surroundings.  In other
words,  a brotherliness that does not impose or infringe on
other's rights and privileges.



Therefore, If a monad (atma, buddhi, manas), as theosophy posits,
is composed
of the higher energies of the consciousness (spiritual-Perusha)
field or
"plane", and the body (or atom?) which it inhabits is on the
lower energy
physical (material-Prakriti) plane, why would a "nuclear
explosion"--which
involves energies only within the matter-energy field (regardless
of whether
or not it was attached to an "atom" at the source of the
explosion) "destroy
its polarity and obliterate the monad"?  Even an atom at the
heart of an
atomic explosion disintegrates only into various smaller energy
particles and
radiant energies that remain undiminished in their total
energetics (while
still staying within the physical plane).

Therefore, in such an explosion, why wouldn't only the physical
atom
(presuming it had a "monad") or the material body it was part of,
be
destroyed--leaving intact the monad, (and, possibly, even the
intermediate
lower energy, astral, prana, kama fields, in the case of a
"human" monad)?

In the latter case, If the monad, could not be obliterated, then
why couldn't
it remain intact as spiritual field vibrational patterns still
connected with
its astral body field?


DALLAS	This sounds logical enough if we consider the physical
field manifestation as a starting point.  One may assume that the
astral, pranic, kamic and manasic and superior "planes and
principles" are unaffected by what happens to the physical
vestures.  Their progress is interrupted and delayed but the
Universal karmic law takes care to adjust that in due course.



Is this what HPB meant when she discussed the problem of sudden
accidental
(caused through random action of others, machinery failure,
carpet bombing, A-
bombing, etc.) death of the body that leaves the monad stranded
in a "Limbo"
state of suspended animation on the astral plane due to its
unresolved karma?

Could this be where the concept and experience of "ghosts" come
from?  Or, the
idea of "possession"?  Is this what HPB also meant when she
discussed the
possibility, and the serious problems for the monad, of such
"undeserved
karma"?  Is such "entrapment" in the astral body state a
possibility?  If so,
how can the monad escape and pick up its karma again?  (Or, does
it have to
wait until the end of the manvantara while it walks around
clanking its
chains, so to speak? :-)

Can someone give us the references in the SD or other
theosophical writings
that speak of these conditions, problems and solutions?


DALLAS  I will try to give some here  sorry this has to be done
by sending a separate posting, which I do separately.

Dallas

Hope this is of help.  I found the references explain a lot when
read consecutively.


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LHM


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