Theos-Talk Archives (December 1998 Message tt00282)

In a message dated 12/28/98 11:07:08 PM, gschueler@netgsi.com wrote:

(Rich)
>>I freely admit, however, that the whole picture hasn't come into focus yet,

>>and I don't want people to think I am throwing stones or tearing down HPB.

>>I am merely pursuing the second object of the original Society.


>My position too.

>I keep hearing references to Bonpos as the bad guys, and while
>they may have been the "bad guys" historically, they have
>cleaned up their act in modern times. In fact, some Bonpos texts
>can't be distinguished from "normal" Tibetan Buddhists texts.
>For example, see Heart Drops of the Darmakaya which is
>subtitled Dzogchen Practice of the Bon Tradition and sold
>by Snow Lion.

Sure. . . Just like the Nazis have "cleaned up their act in modern times" by
grinding out clever propaganda (their stock in trade) to make them look like
angels while they continue to infiltrate into governments here in America and
elsewhere around the world.  They also use "apologists", and "interpreters who
have carefully cultivated and gained a modicum of respect as "historical
experts" in many forums--to make these powerful "ex-Nazis" look like they've
"changed their stripes", or to deny their past--while trying to make all the
rest of us "old pros at this game", who spot such propaganda, look like
ignorant and gullible fools.  I do not wish to point a finger at anyone in
this similar "whitewashing of Dugpas".  But, If the shoe fits, wear it.

If I read it correctly, what appears to be going on here is NOT the purpose of
the second object of the TM--which covers much more than ONE area of debating
the rightness or wrongness of religious practices or motives of ONE sects of
ONE exoteric "organized" religion that may or may not be in entire agreement
with theosophy.  I also wonder why just this particular Tantric part of
Tibetan Buddhist teachings is featured for an ongoing discussion in this
forum--whose sole apparent purpose (by those initiating it) seems to be the
questioning of the credibility of HPB and the Masters?

To use the 2nd object to justify the "public" undermining of the theosophical
teachers and their teachings, as well as sidetracking theosophists into the
study and apologetic consideration of the "goodness" of theosophically
contradictory and pernicious Tibetan Tantric or Dugpa practices, is a
disservice to all true theosophists and to the Movement itself.

(Apropos the above and to answer the VITAL QUESTIONS of blafoun@azstarnet.com)
It's known by many of us in MI who were in Germany at the end of WW2 that the
Nazis and their SS "magickians" were working with the "Dugpas" or "Red
Hats"--whom the Mahatmas called "Shammers" (when they prophesied that just
such a cabal would appear in England and Europe.  And, most likely, now in
America?).  I, for one, personally, observed Tibetan artifacts, symbols and
materials in several  local SS headquarters when I was assigned (1944-45) to
examine Nazi military-political communication systems in Italy, France and
Germany.  Isn't it possible that this Nazi-Dugpa connection may still be going
on as strong as ever?

One of the major "enemies" of the Nazis (and their Red Cap partners) were
theosophists whom they went to great trouble to "exterminate" almost entirely
from Germany and all the countries they occupied.  They say, "a leopard can
never change it's spots".  Without accusing anyone of intentionally acting
improperly--it appears to me that what is going on here may be, inadvertently
(if not intentionally) playing right into the hands of these deadly "enemies"
of theosophy.  Therefore.  As a friendly warning, be careful to take all this
propaganda-like promulgating of "Red Hat- Dugpa" teachings with a grain of
salt.

LHM