Theos-Talk Archives (December 1998 Message tt00191)

Dec 15th 1998

Eldon:

If the initiation of a Karmic bond by means of an action were
limited to only one person, the "domino-effect" that we can all
observe (as for instance in a game where there are opposing teams
in contrast to say, a tennis singles match) would indicate to me
that nothing we think, feel, do or say can be limited to only one
person - a whole group is inevitably involved.  This may be
started on a one-to-one basis and so on down the line, but there
is no question in my mind that the original "starter" will be
partially responsible for all those effects.

How else can we speak of a "dynamic harmony ?"  Is this not the
interaction of amass of minds or beings which are involved in the
wave-effect ?

What we eat, or breathe or drink is like incoming Karma for our
bodies, and the body as a whole is affected (as in the case of
taking medicine) as a whole.

So an adept affects a whole host of persons - those immediately
around him and as time passes the wave so created spreads.  Look
at Buddhism which is said to have ""made the whole of Asia mild."

Dal

> From: Eldon B Tucker
> Sent:	Tuesday, December 15, 1998 1:17 PM
> Subject: more on karma

Jerry S:

>>If we invoke the aspect of mercy and/or forgiveness, then what
>>happens to the victims if something has been done to hurt them
?
>
>This is an area in which karma becomes murky and too profound
>to really be sure of what is going on. If someone hurts me, I
will
>NOT feel better by knowing that that person is suitably
punished.
>I am not vindictive nor do I insist on "justice" in the sense of
an
>eye for an eye.  I would, in fact, forgive the person in the
hopes
>that the person would then learn to forgive others.  In a sense,
>we are all "victims" in this world--victims of our own
ignorance.

Some stray thoughts on the discussion ...

I don't think that we can have karma with someone else, outside
of ourselves and that other person. The karma is "unfinished
business" between us, unspent energy, needed adjustments in
our lives to account for previous actions, interactions, causes
set in motion between ourselves and the other person.

Some things that we do make new karma. They are actions that
we take that affect another, not in reaction to something done
in the past, remembered or not, but done out of our own free
will, our own initiative of the moment. Other things we do are
reactive, in response to what the other person has done, carrying
forward an "ping pong game" of action and reaction between us.

Karma doesn't cease until we no longer interact with that
other person, having no unspent energy between us and them,
no unfinished business to attend to, no future hopes and
wishes dependent upon interaction with them, etc. That is,
karma with that person ceases when they become an non-entity
to us, when we are indifferent to them in life.

A total indifference to beings in life leads to karmalessness,
but that isn't necessarily a good thing. Someone can, for a
while, exit the wheel of birth and rebirth, with no existing
ties to draw them back. That is, though, dropping out of life,
and is *missing something*. There's much more to belonging to
life, to having many strong, positive bonds with other beings,
leading to one making a significant contribution to the world.
That is being karma-full, something better, in this sense,
than being karma-less...

-- Eldon

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