Theos-Talk Archives (December 1998 Message tt00155)

At 02:03 AM 11/26/98 EST, you wrote:
>Theosophists:
>
>The continued evidence that Darren has very little understanding of
theosophy,
>or even politics for that matter, doesn't want to learn, and is gullible
>enough to believe every piece of anti-Semitic untruths or Nazi propaganda he
>reads, some of which have been shown to be false years ago, makes discussing
>this with him as useful as arguing with any fanatic who, caught up in his own
>faulty thinking, constantly missing the point, can only counter argue by
means
>of non sequitur remarks, innuendo, sarcasm, and inflammatory statements, some
>posed in the form of leading questions--with no verifiable facts to back them
>up.  (He also "stole" my family mailing list and Spammed some of his garbage
>to my grandchildren.)

Wow, that was one sentence. Where to start? First of all - 'stole' , come
now, if your going to post addresses in public, then it's your own fault if
someone else gets hold of them. They were never stolen. Now, the 'no
verifiable facts' - I just laughed for about an hour when I read this. I
actually wasn't going to pursue this - it's just that, Leon, you are the
most annoying person I've ever encountered. I thought it was Alexis
Dolguruki, but you take the cake - some of your posts to thers on this list
show how entrenched in ego you are.

So the facts,

"The modern Jew is the product of the Talmud..."


"Babylonian Talmud", published by the Boston Talmud Society, p. XII
The Jews refer to the remainder of Earths inhabitants, the non-Jewish
peoples, as "Gentiles", "Goyim". Let's see what the Jewish Talmud teaches
the Jews concerning the non-Jewish majority, i.e. those who are not part of
Jahve's "Chosen People":

"The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They
are beasts."

Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b

"The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honor the
the dog more than the non-Jew."

Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30

"Even though God created the non-Jew they are still animals in human form.
It is not becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal. Therfore he will be
served by animals in human form."

Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855

"A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal."

Coschen hamischpat 405

"The souls of non-Jews come from impure sprits and are called pigs."

Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b

"Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare
with the Jew like a monkey to a human."

Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b

"If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog."

Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b

"If a Jew has a non-Jewish servant or maid who dies, one should not express
sympathy to the Jew. You should tell the Jew: "God will replace 'your
loss', just as if one of his oxen or asses had died"."

Jore dea 377, 1

"Sexual intercourse between Gentiles is like intercourse between animals."

Talmud Sanhedrin 74b

"It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile."

Sepher ikkarim III c 25

"It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong
to the denying ones of the Torah."

Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5

"A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands."

Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b

"Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the
same as making a sacrifice to God."

Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772


>So, I'll attempt to answer some of his more outlandish remarks, with the hope
>that others here who see through his hypocrisies, and recognize him for the
>Nazi-loving anti Semite and racist he probably is in his heart, will take up
>the cudgel, and do a more thorough job.  It's either that, or we should
>completely ignore and delete his letters on arrival.  (I'm a bit tired of
this
>stuff since, when I was with military intelligence during WW II, I heard
>enough interrogations of captured Nazi's--who, in justifying their gas
>chambers and ovens, used the same arguments as D--that it makes make me sick
>to my stomach to hear it all over again.)

There is a difference - I do not advocate violence of any sort and as such
would never harm anybody - Jew or Goyim. I would like the Jews to come out
and say Ok the Talmud is no longer relevant in today's world so we are
abandoning it and pursuing true theosophy - or something along those lines.
I would like them to stop war-profiteering, Usury, etc. And even if they
didn't write the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, I would like them to stop
using them.

> Maybe, I'm a little too touchy on
>this subject. . . but I can't let him get away with the foul mouthed garbage
>he is smearing in all our faces.

Leon, do you have an 'ADL' ON/OFF switch in your neck or something. I am
really sick and tired of hearing about the poor little jews and their
terrible little holocaust, which many revisionists (of which I am not one)
have CONCLUSIVELY shown through PHOTOGRAPHIC and WRITTEN evidence was no
where near as bad as the Jews claim and in fact most deaths were from
overcrowding. - but we never hear about the Jewish holocausts against the
palestinians or against the Russian working population. If HPB were alive
when the Bolsheviks came to town I can only imagine her outrage.

>In a message dated 11/21/98 1:27:50 AM, D. Porter wrote (and didn't sign):
>

Hello !!! You are a fool. Every email I send has "D. Porter" in the header
line. Get a grip, you're clutching at straws.

>>Leon (are you a Leo - a double lion) wrote:
>
>Not funny? If I leaned on you, your mind couldn't stand the heat.  Yes, I
am a
>"double Lion" born at 12:00 midnight on the cusp of fire and stone.  So, be
>careful who you "play" with--especially if you're air, water, dust or a
>"salamander" who cant stand the torch of truth.

I think I just shat my pants. Man you are scary!!! I tremble at the thought
of your geriatric frame.

>>>Big deal!  It's easy to apologize for profanity. . . But that's just the
tip
>>>of the iceberg.  How come you don't apologize to the numberless Hebrew
>>>people, both alive and dead  (some, possibly, your own ancestors) you
>profaned
>>>publicly with your false and unfounded accusations?

I apologise unreservedly to any Jew who does not hold the above Talmud
statements to heart and beleives in, as I an many other theosophists do,
ONE HUMAN RACE.


>Well, your "understanding" is wrong again.  (Seems like there's a pattern
>there, bub.)  What history books are you talking about?  And if any religious
>or ethnic group ever committed genocide, what has that to do with their
>religion?  Were the Nazi's Jewish?  Or, the Serbs?  Or, the Mongols?

No, but the Jews were Jewish

Sometimes I think you're a cluey guy then you go and say stuff like this.


>What do you know about the Hebrew religion and what "way of thinking" it is?
>Maybe  you should study their "old testament", which is part of the Christian
>bible, by the way (although many of them don't like to admit it) and find out
>for yourself, instead of being brainwashed by the Nazi propaganda you seem to
>be gobbling up and vomiting out indiscriminately.

Why must you continually associate anti-semitism (and what does that really
mean anyway?) with Nazism. The Nazi's had many more agendas then just the
removal of Jews from Germany. I hold with no Nazi beliefs - why can't
someone be an educated informer of what the Jews think about us and about
the plans they have for the entire world. You are using typical
'wiesenthal' methods - accuse, deny, accuse, deny until the facts are lost
in name calling.


>Your talk about the "Hebrew or Jewish race" is exactly the line Hitler took.
>For your information, the Hebrew religion and the Jewish religion are the
same
>thing, and the "Hebrews" are not a race, nor are the Jews a religion, but
>simply a singular group of ordinary good and bad men and women

<snip> history lesson... <snip>

The March-April 1997 issue of New Dawn :

http://www.peg.apc.org/~newdawn

(if this site is wrong it will send you to the correct one)

has an article entitled 'Hitler, Nazis and the Occult' - it is very
interesting reading and shows how the original pure motives of the Thule
Society were distorted by the nationalist socialists. It also mentions
Crowleys role in the war - he wrote intelligence briefs for British
Intelligence on the Nazi's occult side.

>As in all human groupings, of course, there are both good and evil people,
>including communalists, humanists, self serving con men, revolutionaries,
>anarchists, nazis, etc., including evil as well as moral and ethical priests,
>rabbis or other leaders--Jews or otherwise. . . And, your condemning of a
>whole group because of a few bad apples is the root of the kind of ignorant
>prejudice which you seem to soak up and spew out like a rotting sponge.

you are obviosuly not reading each post thoroughly. I have said before that
is only the Zionists that are causing the problems, I did in fact apologise
publicly for 'tarring them all with the same brush'. i was a bit
provocative early deliberately. I was trying to get a Jew, any Jew, to say
that most Jews don't believe the Talmuds teachings and it is only
fundamentalists that cause the 'jewish problem'. I would like to argue it
all out until the true villians are found - Jeez, I would love to be proved
totally and completely wrong.....but where is the structured argument?

>If you want to talk your kind of know-nothing political, prejudicial, or
other
>anti this and that nonsense, why not try a KKK, Aryan Nation, Skinhead or
>other anti-Semitic or racist conference.  I understand there are enough of
>them on the Internet who will welcome your kind of propaganda with open arms.

I get most of my information from SNET News (which I have asked for people
from this forum to join to help me battle the anti-blavatskites who accuse
HPB of being a Satanist) and Radio Islam. I do not in any way associate
myself with Nazi's, KKK or Skinheads. I do not have an agenda. All I want
is for the Truth to be known. The truth needs no champions (I think HPB may
have even said that).

>And you can spew your hate doctrine there to your hearts content--without
>trying to cover it up with phoney piety or meaningless and insincere
apology.

The apology was to Frank for profanity and was sincere.

>Who can remember or correlate any of the sort of selective history that you
>seem to think is so important in condemning a group, simply because you
>presume, whether true or not, that it confirms your own distorted and already
>prejudicial views?  So, what has the actions of one or few power seeking or
>greedy members of any group got to do with the motives and actions of the
>whole group?  If you were a Christian Catholic, should we hang you and all
>other Catholics for all the people killed in wars caused by the Popes and
>their greedy minions?  Or, how about throwing Protestant Christians to the
>lions because of the market crash in 1929--(that incidentally contributed to
>Germany's depression and  paved the way for Hitler)--caused by the market
>manipulations of a group of Christian (WASP) as well as Jewish multi-
>millionaire elitists and "robber barons"?  Or, maybe we should punish all
>Italians for all the killings and misdeeds of the Borgias.

How convenient to leave out what happened to the Native Americans, or what
the Americans did to Cambodia and Vietnam. I will do some more research and
compile a 'Premiership Genocide Table' showing those killed by each race
and those of each race that is killed.


>Besides, how do you know this guy is telling the truth.  Or, do you
believe in
>condemnation by accusation--as the Nazi's practiced?  Are you professing
to be
>policeman, judge, jury and executioner, all in one?

What Guy? I've lost the thread at this point.

>How many "Jews" do you think decided to rebuild the Temple (if that statement
>is true)?  And, how does that justify your condemnation of an entire group
>that had nothing to do with the decisions of their leaders.  Should we
>exterminate all Germans for what their leaders, or their parents, did to the
>Jews?

Once again I Have to state that there is no solution that can be gained
from violence. Why do you keep putting words in  my mouth? I can only
presume it is to make me look like a 'typical skinhead' which I am
obviously not

>  Besides, what business is it of yours what religious people do wih
>their own temples--unless you have an ax to grind as member of an opposing
>religion or political group?  If so, what's that got to do with theosophists
>who are "members of no cult or sect, but members of each and all"?  And,
>what's politics got to do with that?

I have no problem with them rebuilding their temple - as long as its on
currently vacant land and not on the site of a currently existing place of
worship.


>Theosophists don't expel or ban anyone.  Everyone knows that.  Besides,
that's
>no punishment for your real slanders.  So, who do you think you're kidding?

Once again you presume to know what others think.

>The "Ingratiation" was your phoney apology for a lesser offense--a smoke
>screen to divert the discussion group from seeing you as you really are.

I think the group has probably already made their minds up about me without
any help from you. Constable Maurer of the though police. And that's what
this all really comes down to doesn't it. You telling other people how they
should think.

>But,
>judging by your remarks here and previously, You may not even be smart enough
>for that kind of subterfuge--which would then lead me or anyone with any
sense
>to believe that you may be unaware of your own ignorance, and therefore, a
>gullible fool, with an angry, anti-social, if not psychopathic streak (who
>could easily be talked into becoming a concentration camp bootlicker by a
>smart Nazi recruiter).


Your sentences are way too long man. Too many points for my little brain to
deal. If i was ignorant of course i would be unaware of it. Der. I actually
really take a lot of offence in the last bracketed statement though. You
imply that I would kill at the behest of others. Which you must have done
given your recent WWII 'first hand experience' posts. I would never take a
life or harm a person no matter my views of them.

 > Or else, you are a young punk with little knowledge
>and a big ego looking to impress his superiors or elders with his imagined
>wisdom--which could be just a parroting of other deluded or intentionally
evil
>Nazi or other anti-social propagandists.

I really have no idea who I am trying to impress. I would stay anonymous if
I didn't think it was ethically wrong, I used to sign off as NOS, but
realised that this is a copout - EGO !! look in the mirror buddy. And just
for the record that's gotta be about the the tenth time you've mentioned
the word NAZI - are you trying to promulgate the meme?

>>>People who spew such a slick (or sick) line of Nazi propaganda as you did,
>give
>>>us little evidence that they can be trusted in whatever else they say or
do.
>Accordingly, I'd be especially suspicious of any other propaganda you forward
>to these forums.

All information should be judged on it's own merits not that of the messenger.

>>What exactly was 'Nazi propaganda' ?
>
>Everything you said here (and SPAM forwarded to others) about Jews, politics
>and the American constitution and government.   Are you just acting dumb by
>asking that question, or did I read you right in my last letter?  Such
>evasions, are almost a sure sign that you may really be a sociopath who can't
>recognize his own lack of conscience, and certainly a total ignoramus,
>theosophically, who doesn't realize the bad karma he is making for himself by
>defaming others publicly as a group--and avoiding responsibility for the harm
>that causes when the young, ignorant or naive people read such garbage.

You really do take a pompous tone when you write. You assume that everyone
on this list is a naive newbie that can't think for themselves. I would
argue that any person who has found their way to theosophy can discern for
themselves what is correct or incorrect.

  (e.g.
>What reason did you have for stealing my personal mailing list and sending
>your subversive propaganda, with thoughtless and conscienceless
>indescrimination, to the several impressionable children on it?)

Two Words - Paranoid Android.

> Even
>Australia isn't far enough away for you to escape the karma you have
>accumulated for that alone--not to mention your other, more direct, depraved
>remarks to this and other forums.

Whatever.

>>Agreed. Probably within the next twenty years - When the population can be
>>counted on both hands, they'll all more than likely embrace the
theosophical
>>ideals.
>
>Another dumb remark?   Okay, if that's what you predict (as the "sage" you
>think you are) tell us how you are going to prevent it from happening--or is
>your kind of revolutionary politics going to trigger the atomic war that
could
>cause it?   (Without killing off all the Jews first, that is.)

Maybe its just pre-millenium tension? Maybe i am an insane prophet - most
of em were nuts! Who said it had to be an atomic war? What about
biological, the american specialty (a la smallpox on charity blankets)?
'True spirituality does not console the world, it shatters it' - Ken Wilber

Lets face it Leon - you are Jew by choice even if you don't know it. You
want the materialistic heaven on earth. And thats exactly what you imply
throughout all your posts. Rather than admit there are problems with the
world you just sit back and think that by posting to this list Theosophy
will prevade the minds of men and everything will be hunky dory. I'm just
glad the last remnants of your generation are almost gone.

> Do, you
>realize how many times, in the last letters you wrote, you contradicted
>yourself and stuck your foot in your mouth?

Your point being?

 Do you think that makes us any
>more likely to trust you in anything you say, do or proselytize?

All existence is contradiction. The duality of opposites. My technique may
seem Zen to some, insanity to others.

>
>You may say you love him (Geodesic Dome inventor Buckminster Fuller), but
for what reason?  You certainly don't understand
>what he was talking about, and taught, since your remark indicates you didn't
>get it at all--which confirms what I said earlier. . . That you haven't the
>faintest idea what you're talking about--except as a rabble rousing anti-
>government instigator and spouter of false rumors and outright lies, as well
>as other insidious forms of Nazi, anarchist or Bolshevic propaganda.

I love his inventions - but of got no idea what he was on about, i think my
remark indicates i didn't get it at all. Which must conform what you said
earlier.....Uh Oh! Problem - 'Bolshevic Propaganda' - Now who is the one
contradict themselves. The Bolsheviks were JEWISH !!!


And,
>further, it's obvious that all your seemingly agreeable remarks are
>"smokescreens" calculated to fool us into believing that you are really a
>harmless friendly guy, when surreptitiously, you are trying to recruit people
>into joining your destructive causes.

I am an evil recruiter - You got it, saw right through me. Sometimes your
uncanny. For those of you who would like to join my 'destructive cause' you
can do it from home it's easy. Firstly don't purchase products that are
Made in China, or Nestles, Shell, McDonalds, General Electric, etc ie
ethical purchasing and investment. Don't ever lend money to people at an
interest rate - this is pure evil. Tell your politicians that you are aware
of the Multinational Agreement on Investment, the Codex Alimentarius, and
that Human rights are no longer required for Most Favoured Nation trading
status, and that you wholeheartedly oppose all of them. And rather than
tithe or give to useless medical charities adopt a third world child
through a foster scheme. Thats pretty much the Darren Porter World
Domination Party line.


>So, what about those wars?

Well, the American argument for all wars applies here - we must fight for
liberty. I do know that there were other causes behind the scenes, but the
rhetoric for each is the same. Have you seen 'Saving Private Ryan' - I mean
- did you sit through the whole thing without vomiting?

  You seem to be expert at mixing apples with
>oranges.

As are Breville.

  And, why so defensive?  So, I must be right.  You are, apparently, a
>revolutionary, an anti-Semite, probably also a racist, and here you are,
>publicly talking about and spreading inflammatory propaganda about
>overthrowing governments--which, incidentally, isn't very wise, the way the
>FBI, the Secret Service and the CIA (with tight links with their counterparts
>in AU) are lurking in all the chat rooms and online forums these days and
>reading all your e-mail. (For all you know, I may even be one of them.  So,
>take tip.  If you see a car outside your house, with an Aussie state police,
>Secret Service or other government license plate, you might be smart to sneak
>out the back door and take off for Borneo.  You may still be redeemable
and we
>wouldn't want you to get hurt.;-)

You do sound like one of them. You do seem to have unresolved issues with
power structures. Were you abused as a child? And thanks for those 2 fbi
email addresses - got any more? I'm adding them to my super spam list. I've
even invented a program which searches bodies of text for email addresses.
My next mailout will be HUGE - but don't worry it's all anti-chinese (re:
tibet). But thats probably OK with you as long as I don't mention the poor
little chosen ones.


>Bucky, who, incidentally, was both my teacher and a friend, would turn
over in
>his grave if he knew someone who "speaks with a forked tongue", as you do,
was
>one of his fans.

More name dropping. Oh for the poor ego !

  If you are not a dyed in the wool pathological
>revolutionary, you might be very young and have had a deprived and abused
>childhood, for which you would be very angry against all authority.  If so, I
>feel very sorry for you and would like to help you resolve your problems.

Thankyou.

>>>Remember, Buddha said, "Everything we are is the result of what we have
>>>thought--and everything we will become is what we are now thinking."

And we are what we eat - so shouldn't we eat people.

>>>Your kind of angry, blind, destructive thoughts are what made this world
>>>what it is in the first place.  You would be wise to change them into
>>>something more theosophically constructive.  Overthrowing a system
>>>forcibly never can change the minds of those that formed that system.
>>>So, how long does it take for it to rear its head again--even stronger
>>>than before?

Let's just love everyone, while they step on our faces then shall we.


>Once is enough.   But, again, what has this sarcastic non-sequitur got to do
>with the statement you think you are responding to.  Such an answer makes the
>advice given above even more appropriate.  And, it also leads us to believe
>that my original observations about your character are entirely true.

I'm sorry if you took it as sarcastic - because it wasn't intended that
way. I was going to quote something but knew i would muck it up. I remember
reading a dialogue between Jesus and a disciple - the disciple was asking
about forgiveness and especially, what do we do when those we forgive
continue to  sin against us.

>>>Capitalism, today, has become no different in its motivation (with the
>>>same elitist people behind it) than the fascism and Nazism it forcefully
>>>overthrew yesterday  <snip> interjection

Thats obviously a joke isn't it. Capitalism is not a political system but
an economic one.

<unsnip>--except it's a lot stronger militarily,
>>>and its dirty tricks a bit more sophisticated.  You play right into their
>>>hands with their divide and conquer philosophy that always looks
>>>for a "scapegoat" so as to pit one faction against another.
>>>Wise up and start thinking like a mature human being who
>>>understands that Universal Brotherhood, the first object of the
>>>theosophical movement, means just what it says and really is a
>>>fundamental "law of nature" that eventually will win out in the end.

I know - it's just that I can't wait - I really can't see it happening in
my life time or my kids. This truly is the kali Yuga.


>What does that mean?  To me it just appears to be another one of your
>meaningless cop outs.  Apparent acquiescence--without any commitments.
>Another sneaky "smokescreen"?  Again, who do you think you are fooling?
>(However, if you really mean it and would change your ways, I would take all
>that back, and help you as best I can.)

We obviously have a communication problem. I admit that sometimes i am
being sarcastic but i am definitely being sincere at other times. This one
'taken on board' was a case of the latter.

>>>With all good wishes,
>>>Leon Maurer
>>
>>And to you
>
>How can anyone believe that?

I didn't put a smiley face behind it.

>(And, now we could say, he begins a "reverse play"--to change the subject and
>get in some more propaganda for his Nazi mentors or "controllers?")

I've actually never met anyone else that thinks like I do - thank god.

>
>(Note the keywords, "these People" -- right out of Mein Kampf.  Also, note
how
>he takes a single case to infer a generality.  How obvious can this guy get?)

I've never read Mein Kampf, obviously you have. Or should I say , obviously
he has. Are you addressing me or the forum.

>So what?  And, who says?  A real historian would say you were "barking up a
>tree"--looking at "hearsay" as evidential proof.  Anti-semitism got its
>foothold in Germany when Hitler and his anti-Semitic backers came to power.

Real historians are tools of the elite. An all revisionists are shouted
down as nazis. Methinks the truth lies somewhere in between.

>It was all there--in Mein Kampf and with the "Brothers of the Golden
Dawn", as
>well as Crowley and his elitist crowd in England--long before.  It had
nothing
>to do with Zionism, which was originally founded because of anti-Semitism and
>"pogroms" in Europe, and Russia that started long before World War 1--as far
>back as the 18th century and earlier.  Maybe you aught to read some real
>history.

Please do not open this can of worms - it will backfire on you. For
starters Crowley worked for British intelligence and I won't even bother
going further. you either read the article at the website or you didn't.
You will either have read the New Dawn Nazi and Occult article or you
won't. If you have not read either what is the point of debating my
sources. Read them , tell me what facts in them are wrong and what source
contradicts them, then maybe we can have a meaningful debate on
anti-semitism (aren't arabs semites as well?) rather than just an infantile
nameslinging match.

>And for the possibly innocent, if not wisely prophetic remark of ONE man,
>coupled with a false belief in a proven forged propaganda document, along
with
>a few psychopathic liars with axes to grind, plus a cabal of war mongering
>munitions makers and Nazi sympathisers--are you now implying that you condone
>the actions of those other long time anti-Semite, strike busters like Henry
>Ford, Adolph Hitler, Rosenberg, and Gold (a possible stooge of HPB's Jesuit
>enemies and boot licker to a Pope who made a concordance with Hitler)--in
>condemning a whole group of innocent people and, thereby, justify the pushing
>of millions of them, including their children and elderly--who were
useless as
>slave labor--in gas chambers and ovens?

I accept the fact the the Protocols may have been forgeries but if you've
read them you will see how uncanny they are at predicting the last century.
The problem I have is that i don't just accept the propaganda of either
side. I don't know who Rosenberg or Gold are. You seem to think that the
Jews are right in all matters and the historical documenatation says
otherwise.

>If so, and if that doesn't label you as a potential Nazi murderer, slaver and
>a full blown sociopath, as well as an ignorant and dangerous, rabble rousing
>revolutionary, it certainly would indicates that you are a conscienceless
>anti-Semite who is trying to weasel your way into being accepted as a
>political pundit by members of the theosophical  movement--who has been
>dealing with your types of villainous hypocrites for a long long time.

When you write such long meandering sentences it makes it akward to address
the points in a coherent manner, but anyway...
( i before e except after c)
Actually I've decided not to even address what has become repition on your
part - you must have read the ADL manual well.

> They
>all remember Leadbeater and Annie Besant, who stole the theosophical Society
>from HPB and WQJ and turned it, for quite some time, into a parody of
>Christianity and, "do nothing to upset the applecart" type of elitest
>thinking.

Are you speaking for every theosophist? Not that I don't agree with you on
this point - but once again you think that you are Theosophy Incarnate.

>  Is it any wonder why the spiritually enlightened Krishna Murti
>refused their offer to introduce him as the new Christian savior and "Son of
>God"?

I dunno, why are you asking me, I'm just an ignorant pleb.


>So, you are not fooling anyone. . . Leastwise, an old war horse like me, who
>knows that wars are started by munitions manufacturers and violence prone
>strike breakers like Henry Ford, along with ego maniacs like Adolph Hitler
>(and their dupes and stooges like you)--and not wise old Jews who make honest
>predictions about them.

I am naive. I am so naive that I doubt there is a more naive person on
earth. Except for you of course Leon.

 > So come off it.  Everything you say labels you for
>what you are.  For, as we say in theosophy, "You shall know them by their
>fruits"--and yours are pretty rotten and smelly--according to the examples in
>your statements and your references, and the way you sneakily disseminate
>them.

Purely Subjective.

>So, either wise up and sincerely change your mind and your attitude, join the
>theosophical discussions with honest interest in learning or teaching
>something truthful and worthwhile, or quit your disruption of our forums--get
>lost, and stop wasting our time and energy with all this ignorant, self
>serving nonsense that has nothing to do with any theosophical truths or
>realities.

Do this or else - whose the fascist now then?

>With continued good wishes for your redemption, if possible, and with hope
>that you may yet become awakened and wise in your words and actions for the
>benefit of ALL humanity--"without distinction of race, creed, sex, condition
>or organization". (See: "United Lodge of Theosophists Declaration" --
>http://www.theosophycompany.org/declar.html)

Oh so you are a member of the cULT? That explains it all. I think the web
address in itself tells me all I need to know about where you are coming
from - do you sleep with some money under your pillow for comfort?

With continued good wishes for your impending senility, yada, yada, yada

I look forward to your reply - and please try and be a bit more wittier
this time, I need a good laugh.

Darren the Anti-Christ

(I probably was one of the Egyptian persecutors you called me earlier - All
Hail Hermes - thrice Greatest Hermes. All Hail Set. All Hail typhon.
Aaahhagga. Sorry I was choking on my own tail)