Theos-Talk Archives (December 1998 Message tt00135)

In a message dated 12/8/98 1:30:39 PM, So and So wrote, quoting an earlier
posting of excerpts from the VOS

>>"Know, O beginner, this is the *Open* PATH, the way to selfish bliss,
>>shunned by the Boddhisattvas of the "Secret Heart," the Buddhas of
>>Compassion.
>>
>Actually, the karmamudra and jnanamudra ARE exactly
>what the Bodhisattvas practice, at least according to Tibetan
>texts now available.

Baloney.  Where did you get this nonsense from?  What texts are you referring
to?  What has this to do with the above quote?  You don't even seem to know
what the words karmamudra or jnanamudra mean.  At least, jnanamudra has
nothing to do with your touted Tibetan (more like Bonpa-Dugpa, Red Cap) Tantra
teachings (coming straight from the "Black Lodge", and the direct opposite of
theosophy as taught by the "Brothers of the Light").  And. whether the
Bodhisattva's practice those mudras or not depends on the nature of their
"forms" or "seals".  There are as many karma and jnana mudras as there are
karma and jnana mantrams and mandalas.  Also, it would be interesting to know
who translated the Tibetan texts you seem to be so versed in?  I hope they
were as knowledgeable of Tibetan, Sanskrit AND English as were HPB, WQJ, M and
KH (combined, if not individually).

What axe have you to grind that you continue to corrupt new but sincere
theosophists with your put downs of its teachings and it's teachers, and with
your touting of pernicious and self serving "Black Magic" teachings, while
twisting Sanskrit devotional words into false meanings to relate them to those
lower-natured, psychic practices?

>>To live to benefit mankind is the first step. To practice the six glorious
>>virtues (23)is the second.
>>
>Perhaps the real question is HOW do we live to benefit
>mankind? It has been shown, for example, that to give
>"primitve" people more food encourages them to have
>more children which perpetuates the food shortages. I
>think we each have to adress this in our own way.

Where did it say in that quote that benefitting mankind  had anything to do
with serving the physical needs of anyone?   You even missed the understanding
of what "to benefit" means in context by a country mile.  Your narrow focused
Malthusian argument and misinterpretation of a beautiful and uplifting
theosophical thought and practice is another sign that you haven't the
faintest idea what theosophy is all about, or what it teaches.  Or, even
Buddhism, for that matter--since you missed the meaning of those "six glorious
virtues" and their relationship to the "four noble truths" and the "eight fold
path".
>
>>To don Nirmanakaya's humble robe is to forego eternal bliss for Self, to
>>help on man's salvation. To reach Nirvana's bliss, but to renounce it, is
>>the supreme, the final step - the highest on Renunciation's Path."
>>
>Here is an example of how she uses nirmanakaya in her own
>unique fashion.

There you go again.  Snide remarks out of left field to show your disdain of
whatever you falsely imagine HPB teaches.  What makes you think HPB wrote
that?  All she did was translate the Voice of the Silence into English.  All
that your foolish comment indicates is your total ignorance of theosophy or
its teachings.  And, if to call it "stupid", or even "vicious", is "flaming
you". . . Then, so be  it.  (And, if the shoe fits, wear it!)
>
>>"Now bend thy head and listen well, O Bodhisattva - Compassion speaks and
>>saith : 'Can there be bliss when all that lives must suffer?  Shalt thou be
>>saved and hear the whole world cry?'
>>>
>How can one who lives in ignorance help others who live in ignorance?
>Can the blind lead the blind, or will both fall into the ditch? This is
>a great moral problem that Theosophy needs to address. Your
>quotes are of little help and in some ways make the problem worse.

You still haven't got it.  You are speaking about yourself.  It's you that
have the great moral problem, and are making it worse for yourself. . . Since,
by your words and actions, it is evident that you haven't studied or
understood one word  of the S.D. (in essence, the Book of Dzyan) or any of its
commentaries, or even the Proem and its exposition of the Fundamental Truths.
In fact, it doesn't appear that you have been taught anything from the "Book
of the Golden Precepts" (from which both the Voice of the Silence and the Book
of Dzyan were extracted) by a real Tibetan Master (as you seem to imply in all
your previous hubristic expositions of your vast knowledge of "esotericTibetan
Buddhism". :~).  And, where have you shown any understanding of the three
objects of the TM?  So, who's living in ignorance?

To set you straight. . . That passage was written for the devoted Chelas on
their studious way toward full knowledge, adeptship and enlightenment.  How
could such Bodhisattva's do anything to benefit others out of ignorance?  Pure
altruism and universal brotherhood is the aim of theosophy.  And, if you
haven't got that yet, you'd better wake up, or get lost.  There are only two
sides to the coin of life. . . Either light or darkness.  So, make up your
mind which side you're on.  As they say in Darmasala, "Live the life, or live
the death--it's up to you".

Certainly, after your out-of-context missing of the reference in that
passage--to both the enlightened Bodhisattva, or the four noble truths--you
will never be able to convince the members of this forum that you are a true
follower of Buddha, or be a spokesman for his teachings.  (Unless you make a
complete about face and change your mind and motive)

Now, however, after this exhibition of the (Theosophy and true Buddhism
disparaging) direction of your thoughts, you can only speak for those false,
so called "Tantric Buddhists" who are not real Buddhists at all, since they
have distorted the root teachings of Buddhism and Theosophy out of all
proportion to their original intent, bringing them down to the lowest level of
psychic magic and sexual depravity.  Hitler, Himmler, Crowley and many other
"black magicians"  throughout history have done or condoned the same
practices--only under different organizational names.

I wonder how many of us will be willing to listen from now on?

So, take off your false robes of assumed esoteric wisdom, admit your utter
ignorance of anything to do with the "higher" paths to Bodhisattvahood, and
humbly bow down to the Ancient Nirmanakaya Master who wrote those uplifting
words you so cavalierly defame with your opinionated ignorance,
thoughtlessness or, perhaps, destructive intent.  (For what reason, we
couldn't imagine.)

(For other readers and theosophists)
Please forgive these sometimes harsh words.  But, someone has to reflect the
cold rage that HPB would have shown if faced with such public defamations of
her works, and denigrations of the teachings of her beloved Masters.
(Remember what she said to the Jesuits and other enemies of theosophy who
tried the same things in her time?)   Besides, much harsher language was used
on me when I stated a theosophical truth So and So didn't like to hear.  And,
as theosophy holds, "as ye sow, so shall ye reap".   But, this is just the
first part of it.  The rest, we'll leave to Karma.  ("The husband of Maya". .
.  As said to me many, many. many  years ago, as a beginning theosophy
student, when I asked Swami Waman Phansalkar, who Karma was.;-)

LHM

"Ye shall know them by their fruits"