Theos-Talk Archives (November 1998 Message tt00120)

>Those people who left may consider it "dark" but those who stayed
>saw it as "light." These are subjective calls, my firend. Anyone who
>disagrees with the Leadership of any organization is always free
>to leave it and form their own.


Agreed. But the problem with Conger was that he required leadership of the
ES from the pupils and that policy was just the opposite of how a leader was
recognized and accepted from HPB's time on to Judge to KT and to GdeP. One
cannot have a "good motive" in mind when a claims such a position and forces
the members to accept it against all teachings and against all methods they
were tought before otherwise they were kicked off. It was against the
express wishes of GdeP who foresaw this situation in his written testimony.

>>If you know less or nothing about occult laws or how an real ES is
>>working then you are right in labeling chelaship as subjective. One thing
>>is certain for me: Would not  any real ES exist, the whole theosophical
>>movement would be nothing else than a great parody. Then it would be
>>better to close all TS's.
>>
>
>Ouch!  If this is the way you think, then we are really at odds. If you
>think that the TSs require a secret organization for their life and
>health, then the TSs are all doomed.

Then the Masters, HPB and Judge were also wrong when they established the ES
in London and New York...
Are you aware of the fact that you are arguing in the same line as the sect
experts of the churches and the Jesuits? They are spreading the same story:
We are open, we are free, but look to the Theosophists, dangerous! Even
those organizations who are labeling itself as "democratic", free etc. have
their secrets because it is natural not to share all the knowledge without
discrimination with others. And that is the dark story of the Long/Conger
actions: They told the newbees: Damn with secrecy, damn the ES, every one
has the right to know all the occult laws. That was not the policy of the
Masters, HPB etc. he background for such statements are: appeal to
selfishness, prejudice and jealousy - I don't want that someone has a deeper
understanding than myself, damn with the pupils, I am also a pupil -
Jealousy! And quite contrary to their sweet words they made more secrecy
than before... (Only one example: GdeP's twelve volume Occult Encyclopedia
was proofread and ready for the printer, some party liners have stolen the
print sheets and the cheated newbees at Pasadena, freed from the elitism and
secrecy of the ES, are waiting and waiting since 60 years for the coming out
of that book. Why only the new "leaders" of the new TS at Pasadena had the
right to read such things and why such books and documents were verboten for
the oh-so-free members? What a black action! What a hypocrisy! One is
remembered on George Orwell's "Animal farm", same situation which occurred
in Point Loma in 1945, 50 years after 1895.


>You will just have to take my word on this: the "real ES" as you put is, is
on the inner planes
>and any outer organization called ES is not in any way a "real"
>ES, but just a group of people with joint goals like any other
>organization, and with as much bickering and infighting as
>any other.

That is not a real ES.

>The "real" ES is what G de P calls the Brotherhood
>of Compassion, and it exists on the inner planes and to be a
>member the only requirement is to have compassion for others
>in your heart.


And this Brotherhood is not on this plane? It has no agents here? Then all
what HPB taught and did was a lie.

>>... I come to the conclusion that the brutal actions of
>>destroyed the real Theosophy, the TS and the ES was nothing else than a
>>selfish and irrational action of the Long/Conger conspiracy.

>I am sorry that you feel this way. Conger was before my time, but Long
>served as my spiritual mentor and I have a real problem trying to see
>how he could do anything "brutal" or "selfish" or "irrational" in any way.
>The man was a pussycat and yes, he had Gnosis:  the fire of
>Truth burned within him (or was that just my psychological projection?).


Why then he had the opposite policy of all KT and GdeP did? Didn't burned
the fire of Truth in them? A riddle. Or did Long and Conger have had more
spiritual and intellectual power than GdeP? I know of no genuine teachings
from them. All what is known from them is their interpretation of HPB's and
GdeP's teachings.

>> I am aware that you as a member of that TS for over 30 years have only
heard the justifying
>>arguments coming from this side.

>Wrong. I have read many different histories of the TS movement, from
>all sides. I am aware that the Conger/Long episode caused a lot of grief.
>But it wasn't irrational, nor was it selfish. It was, rather, considered to
>be necessary at the time.


Why it was necessary? What was wrong with the Point Loma Society? Why was
the Pasadena TS created? In what is the Pasadena TS better than the Point
Loma TS? As far as I can see, the Pasadena era brought nothing to light what
was not known in the PL era. Pasadena feeds on the good work KT and GdeP did
in PL, don't?

>Destroying the outer organization called ES is probably not such a bad
>thing as it tends to elitism and secrecy. One man's enemy is another man's
>friend, perhaps.


HPB called the ES "the heart of the TS". When we would have had no ES under
HPB,
Judge, KT and GdeP were would we stand today?

Frank