Theos-Talk Archives (November 1998 Message tt00114)

>...a few of the
>chelas of KT and GdeP which NOT supported the dark way of Long/Conger were:
>Elsie Benjamin, Helen Todd, Emmett Small, Carmen Small, Boris de Zirkoff,
>Gordon Plummer, Geoffrey A. Barborka, Iverson Harris and many others, all
of
>them in high respect under KT or/and GdeP and very intimate with KT and
>GdeP.

Those people who left may consider it "dark" but those who stayed
saw it as "light." These are subjective calls, my firend. Anyone who
disagrees with the Leadership of any organization is always free
to leave it and form their own.

While speaking of organizations, I have always found it interesting
that there is only one organization for dogs in this country (the AKC)
and dogs tend to be loyal. There are many organizations for cats
(CFA, ACFA, TIKA, etc) and cats tend to be independent.


>If you know less or nothing about occult laws or how an real ES is
>working then you are right in labeling chelaship as subjective. One thing
is
>certain for me: Would not  any real ES exist, the whole theosophical
>movement would be nothing else than a great parody. Then it would be better
>to close all TS'ies.
>

Ouch!  If this is the way you think, then we are really at odds. If you
think that the TSs require a secret organization for their life and
health, then the TSs are all doomed. You will just have to take my
word on this: the "real ES" as you put is, is on the inner planes
and any outer organization called ES is not in any way a "real"
ES, but just a group of people with joint goals like any other
organization, and with as much bickering and infighting as
any other.  The "real" ES is what G de P calls the Brotherhood
of Compassion, and it exists on the inner planes and to be a
member the only requirement is to have compassion for others
in your heart.


>
>... I come to the conclusion that the brutal actions of
>destroyed the real Theosophy, the TS and the ES was nothing else than a
>selfish and irrational action of the Long/Conger conspiracy.

I am sorry that you feel this way. Conger was before my time, but Long
served as my spiritual mentor and I have a real problem trying to see
how he could do anything "brutal" or "selfish" or "irrational" in any way.
The man was a pussycat and yes, he had Gnosis:  the fire of
Truth burned within him (or was that just my psychological projection?).


> I am aware that
>you as a member of that TS for over 30 years have only heard the justifying
>arguments coming from this side.

Wrong. I have read many different histories of the TS movement, from
all sides. I am aware that the Conger/Long episode caused a lot of grief.
But it wasn't irrational, nor was it selfish. It was, rather, considered to
be
necessary at the time.


> I for myself would not have the karman this people have.

Yes, fortunately we all must bear own own. The decision, however,
was taken consciously with the future karma of the TS in mind.
I don't think Conger or Long worried much about their own karma.
It still remains to be seen if what they did was "best" for the Pasadena
TS. So far as I know, members today would probably say yes and no,
some things being better, some things not. And the jury is still out.


> History
>repeats itself. In HPB and Judge's time there were many enemies within the
>TS who tried to break it up and destroy the ES.

Destroying the outer organization called ES is probably not such a bad
thing as it tends to elitism and secrecy. One man's enemy is another man's
friend, perhaps.


>It was only the overhuman
>power of Katherine Tingley who was able to rejoin again the ES with the TS.
>Long and Conger again broke away the ES from the TS. The result was a dead
>body and and entirely new TS, known as Pasadena since 1951.
>

Some would probably argue your view of Tingley who had her own problems.
If you are suggesting the the Pasadena TS is a "dead body" than perhaps
you should look at it a little closer. And anyway, all physical bodies (and
organizations are just collective bodies) are dead or dying by definition.

Jerry S.