Theos-Talk Archives (November 1998 Message tt00096)

>>... They required it with brutal force and so the true chelas
>>of GdeP were all kicked off and banned.
>
>Baloney. This seems to be your side of history, but it is
>certainly not mine. Who, exactly, are the "true chelas
>of GdeP?"  This is so subjective that I am surprised to
>hear you write such a thing. Personally, I consider myself
>to be such a chela.
>
Maybe baloney for you, for me is it the truth. If your are a chela, then you
can explain the matter for yourself. If your
claim is false, then it is a waste of time to explain it. F.e. a few of the
chelas of KT and GdeP which NOT supported the dark way of Long/Conger were:
Elsie Benjamin, Helen Todd, Emmett Small, Carmen Small, Boris de Zirkoff,
Gordon Plummer, Geoffrey A. Barborka, Iverson Harris and many others, all of
them in high respect under KT or/and GdeP and very intimate with KT and
GdeP. If you know less or nothing about occult laws or how an real ES is
working then you are right in labeling chelaship as subjective. One thing is
certain for me: Would not  any real ES exist, the whole theosophical
movement would be nothing else than a great parody. Then it would be better
to close all TS'ies.

>> Therefore it is true that both
>>declared themselves as Esoteric Leaders, canceled the memberships of many
>>intimate co-workers of KT and GdeP, closed the ES and moved from Covina to
>>Pasadena/Altadena.
>
>Actually, I think you are forgetting motive. You are implying that their
>motives were purely selfish and irrational. No so. And closing the ES
>was pure genius.


A true chela becoming a teacher is also known by his actions. This we must
not forget. The closing of the ES (at Pasadena, the real ES can never be
destroyed) was indeed the pure genius --- for the mamos, but it was against
the strong hints and wishes of GdeP. Yes, considering all motives and
arguments in that affair I come to the conclusion that the brutal actions of
destroyed the real Theosophy, the TS and the ES was nothing else than a
selfish and irrational action of the Long/Conger conspiracy. I am aware that
you as a member of that TS for over 30 years have only heard the justifying
arguments coming from this side. That is only natural. But it is not the
truth. I for myself would not have the karman this people have. History
repeats itself. In HPB and Judge's time there were many enemies within the
TS who tried to break it up and destroy the ES. It was only the overhuman
power of Katherine Tingley who was able to rejoin again the ES with the TS.
Long and Conger again broke away the ES from the TS. The result was a dead
body and and entirely new TS, known as Pasadena since 1951.

>
>>They took the money and the possessions, but if that all
>>is true the Pasadena TS is an entirely new society and has nothing to do
>>with the Point Loma TS. High time that both sides should present the
>>documents before the public so that each Theosophist could come to his/her
>>own conclusions. In the Internet era there is no more place for secretcy.
>>
>>Frank
>>
>
>As a member of Pasadena TS for over 30 years, please let me say
>that they have never been secretive about history. I learned of their
>rather turbulent history very early on. They decided that quality was
>more important than quantity in regard to membership, and acted
>on that conclusion. Everyone is free to agree or not with their decision
>but please don't throw stones where none are called for.
>
>Jerry S.
>

Nice to hear. Please mail me all the documents about the Long/Conger affair,
of course I pay the costs. It is high time that Pasadena clears that affair
as Adyar did with CWL.

Frank