Theos-Talk Archives (October 1998 Message tt00042)

Oct 14th 1998

Dallas offers:

I have always found that a careful study of what HPB writes on
this in the SD helps, for this instance  SD I 243-245 (the right
hand columns,  SD I 327-330

I would also add that in my study I seem to have noted that HPB
makes a distinction and a correlation between:

1. the Kosmic principles
2. the human principles (as abstract reflections in potential of
the 7 Kosmic principles). And
3. the active principles in our present plane of matter - and
using the embodied Lower Mind which is the active and creative
factor at the present stage of our evolution.  If this Lower Mind
of ours, which aspires to WISDOM, is able to encompass the
several meanings as given in the SD and in other of HPB's
articles, we find that there is a gradual understanding that
grows on us - it is as though we start and continue
sub-consciously a kind of meditative thought current - and this
if pursued, sometimes over weeks and month leads to a perception
of the underlying meaning of certain statements that have been
puzzling to us.

4. But this ought to be prefaced perhaps by a certain grasp of
the fact that we, at our CORE are IMMORTALS, and as such we are
immortal students in a course that runs from the dawn of
Manifestation till its final closure - then a period of sleep in
Nirvana and a resumption when the next Manvantara dawns.

I hope this is of some help and please, these are my own
understandings of this complex and very metaphysical problem

Dallas

> From: Ray Tomes
> Sent:	Monday, October 12, 1998 4:56 PM
> Subject: Re: "Spiritual culture" answering some inquiries

Jerry Schueler <gschueler@netgsi.com> wrote:

>>I would say that matter - mind - spirit is a continuum
differing in the
>>fineness of the vibrations.
>>-- Ray Tomes --
http://www.kcbbs.gen.nz/users/rtomes/rt-home.htm --

>But I am carefully distinguishing between mind and
consciousness.

Consciousness is another thing entirely, outside of the above
continuum.

>Matter and Spirit are a duality. Mind (self or subjectivity) and
>World (Not-self or objectivity) are also a duality.

>When I think of spirit-matter being a continuum, something like
>space-time, then I find consciousness (not mind) being a fifth
>dimension (space has three, and time has one). Our physical
>body is "stuck" in four dimensions all on the physical plane,
while
>consciousness allows us access into other planes.

Since writing my above lines which you quote I read the Kybalion.
Clearly this was the universe sending me to the answers  :-)

In the Kybalion it is clearly stated that spirit-mind-matter are
just
different degrees of vibration.  Likewise, it states that the
rate of
vibration can be seen as a dimension (the 5th as you say) and
that
although we think of "planes" based on this dimension, that
dimension is
a continuum.

The KYBALION -  a study of Hermetic Philosophy of Ancient Egypt
and
Greece, by Three Initiates, is about the wisdom of Hermes
Trismegistus.

It is a charming little book published in 1908 which makes the
ideas
much clearer to the modern mind than many other accounts which
are full
of astrology and alchemy and so do not relate to modern ideas.

I particularly like the vibrationary and rhythmic aspects as
these
accord with my own researches.  I will later post some thoughts
on
possible correspondences between Hermetic ideas and my own and
would
appreciate others thoughts and criticisms.

The lips of wisdom are closed, except to the ears of
understanding.

The Seven Hermetic Principles

1. Mentalism: The ALL is MIND; The Universe is Mental.

2. Correspondence: As above, so below; as below, so above.
The physical, mental and spiritual planes are each divided into
seven
degrees that are each further divided into seven.

3. Vibration: Nothing rests; everything moves; everything
vibrates.
>From galaxies and solar systems to atoms and particles every
revolves,
spins, vibrates.  The planes are distinguished by the rate of
vibration.

4. Polarity: Everything is dual; everything has poles; everything
has
its pair of opposites; like and unlike arethe same; opposites are
identical in nature, but different in degree; extremes meet; all
truths
are but half-truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled.

5. Rhythm: Everything flows out and in; everything has its tides;
all
things rise and fall; the pendulum swing manifests in everything;
the
measure of the swing to the right is the measure of the swing to
the
left; rhythm compensates.

6. Cause and Effect: Every cause has its effect; every effect has
its
cause; everything happens according to law; chance is but a name
for law
not recognized; there are many planes of causation, but nothing
escapes
the law.

7. Gender: Gender is in everything;everything has its masculine
and
feminine principles; gender manifests on all planes.

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