Theos-Talk Archives (September 1998 Message tt00242)

Sept 18th

Dear Jerry:

Some notes are interjected below		Dal

> From: Jerry Schueler
> Sent:	Friday, September 18, 1998 5:36 AM
> Subject: Re: RE: HPB on the arrangement of SD MSS

> Re:  LIPIKA
>
>Since we are studying Theosophy and doing this on the basis of
>the doctrines that are available, I wanted to know if you had a
>basis for your statement that the Lipika were related solely (as
>I think you put it ) to Globe D.  I can find no such restriction
>made by HPB, and as far as I know she is the one who introduced
>the subject and gave the information.
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Like all fundamentalists, Dallas, you take the weird notion that
if
HPB didn't say a=b, then for sure we know that a can't be equal
to b.


DALLAS	I understand that, but, one has to take some basis at
least.  What would you choose if you were studying mathematics,
chemistry astronomy, etc...  I recall using basic texts when in
schools and college and learned that most of the rest said the
same thing.  I think theosophy is far vaster, but one might as
well choose one that has apparently a basic stability to it.  I
am constantly reviewing and restudying this philosophy, always in
search of those things that will either reinforce or destroy it -
so far, no cause for destruction or feeling unhappy with it.

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My own take on her work is that she deliberately left a lot of
teachings
out. This does not mean that it isn't so. It just means that she
never
said. You are quite right when you say that HPB never explicitly
said that the Lipika were on Globe G.



DALLAS

There is a reference in SD I 31-2, 118 in which she says that the
Lipika "stand in the middle wheel"   Apparently at a balance
point.

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However, she never said they
weren't, and she never clearly said where they are. However, if
you
take some time to study exactly what these guys are and what they
do,
(they are nothing more than an Eastern version of the Egyptian
god,
Thoth, the divine recorder of events) you will likely see that
they can
only be on the causal plane (nothing else makes any sense).


DALLAS

Recorders (LIPIKA) would make a link to the causal plane.  In
either case they are only an aspect of KARMA - the recording.
The adjusting and precipitation of those cause would come later
on, would it not, as another aspect of karma came into play, or
am I wrong ?

It is not stated whether they (LIPIKA) are limited to some plane
of matter or not.  I would tend to believe that they are not so
limited, as their recording faculty wold persist whether there is
a Manvantara or not, taking the permanency of Karma into account
as a Universal principle and one of the aspects of the ABSOLUTE.

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 Furthermore,
owing to their nature of recording after the fact, they can't be
on Globe
A, which contains before-the-fact material. So, ipsofacto we can
conclude that they really have to be on Globe G, or somewhere
between these two Globes, perhaps. Also, you and anyone else who
tries, can go there and see them for yourself.

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	DAL:	WISH I COULD  -- BUT, WOULD I REMEMBER  I don't think my
personal embodied consciousness would be able to do that ?

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As far as "restriction" is concerned, we are all restricted to
certain
locations.  This is what time and space imply--you can only be in
one place at a time.  Only consciousness is un-restricted.


	DALLAS			AGREED  But why ?

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>As far as I am concerned, I "go by the book" and when I make a
>statement I try to have a "back-up" in the literature to refer
>to.  I had hoped that you had found something I had not yet
>found.  I need corroboration, if available please.

Yes, you certainly do go by the book. The problem with that
approach
comes when we occasionally find something that isn't mentioned
one way or another in the book at all. Then what do we do?  Well,
you can
choose to ignore it if you want to, but I can't do that.


DALLAS

I think we all do that, Jerry, but also, we do try to find out
where the Esoteric Philosophy deals with such a situation or
event.  So far I have found that somewhere in the literature are
points or hints given that seem to apply to all the strange
things we encounter in our search.  And that is what makes it
very encouraging, and has kept me trying to study and use
Theosophy all these years.  I find out that I am really very
ignorant in so many things.  And I want to know and understand.

In many cases I have found strange statements made that I do not
at that time understand.  I set them aside for thought and future
discovery - so far I have in the course of years found answers
that harmonized them with the whole Philosophy as presented.

What would be wrong in using the Theosophical Literature that
streams from HPB as being primal, and probably the most accurate
presentation, regardless of what subsequent students may have
surmised ?  But, as you suggest, all should be given their day.
I specially value those who have the courage to refer to their
sources, so that they can be checked independently.  If we are
all searching for the TRUTH of things, there is nothing to hide,
and no one has any ascendancy over others to protect.

Thanks for the help			Dal.


Jerry S.