Theos-Talk Archives (September 1998 Message tt00217)

Paul,

Thanks for your comments.  All of which are interesting and I will study
them for their *relevant* context to what we are talking about.

Unfortunately, you do NOT directly confront and answer my observations
about HPB being ALSO concerned about the mechanical arrangement of ISIS
UNVEILED and about her habit even in 1875-1877 to rearrange, paste, cut,
etc. her manuscript of ISIS.  Even with her concern and work on the MSS
of ISIS, this work had typos, errors, mistakes, etc. *even as admitted
by HPB and the Masters*.  If this is so with ISIS, why not with THE
SECRET DOCTRINE? Same methods, same masters with both 1877 and 1888
books.  A straightforward discussion of this comparison between ISIS and
the SD would be appreciated.  Please refer to my last several emails in
which I spell all of this out in some detail.

I suspect that neither you nor Tony will deal directly with these
comparisions between ISIS and THE SECRET DOCTRINE.  I certainly don't
understand what your reasons are for not dealing with these issues.
Unfortunately, this appears to be the same method used by K. Paul
Johnson in avoiding to deal with many of the contradictions, etc. in his
hypotheses about Blavatsky and the Mahatmas.  But what surprises me is
that these tactics are used by two serious students of Blavatsky's
writings.

Trying to be honest and straightforward with both you and Tony,

Daniel


Paul Bazzer wrote:
>
> Daniel wrote:
>
> > (3)  At the time when HPB writes about the mechanical arrangement of her
> > SD MSS, she is not necessarily talking about the mechanical arrangement,
> > physical layout, etc. of the finished product (the twp physical volumes
> > published in 1888).  Is she ?
>
> Not *necessarily*; yet effect follows cause.
>
> Let us, maybe, continue to explore the question: WHY the "*mechanical*
> arrangement"?
>
> ". . . .. the Lotus-seed contains within itself a perfect miniature of the
> future plant, which typefies the fact that the spiritual prototypes of all
> things exist in the immaterial world before those things become materialised
> on Earth. (SD,I, 58).
>
> What is/was the *cause*/seed of "The Secret Doctrine"? Whence/how did it
> flower; to become "materialised on Earth"?
>
> "But you must know and remember one thing: we but follow and *servilely copy
> nature* in her works." (Letter VI, ML's).  Is "The Secret Doctrine" itself
> a/the servile copy of nature (Masters = Nature)?  If so, what is its
> "spiritual prototype"?  A'kasha? Dzyan? Stanzas *of* Dzyan? Sen-zar? Senzar?
>
> Is not to "servilely copy" an exact  - shall we call it *mechanical*? -
> process?  Can Lipika/Karma be subject to error/deviation?
>
> Was HPB cutting/shifting/pasting at her own (personal) whim and fancy; or
> was she obeying ORDERS?  Was she ORDERED to cut/shift/paste until miserable,
> sick of it, for a reason?  Why could not the *final* MSS, once "mechanically
> arranged", be those as presented to the printer for the plates?
>
> "Yourself, some fine morning, while poring over its [Journal] crooked
> columns with the sharpened wits of a well rested brain, peering into what
> you now view as hazy, impalpable speculations, having only the consistency
> of vapour, - yourself may, perchance, perceive in them the unexpected
> solution of an old, blurred, forgotten "dream" of yours, which once
> *recalled* will impress itself in an indelible image upon your *outer* from
> your inner memory, to never fade out from it again.  All this is possible
> and *may* happen; for our ways *are* the ways of "Madmen"  . .  ." (Letter
> XLVIII, ML's).
>
> Kindest regards,
> Paul