Theos-Talk Archives (September 1998 Message tt00215)

Sept 15th

Dallas offers some comments interjected below:


> From: Bazzer
> Sent:	Tuesday, September 15, 1998 11:41 AM
> Subject: Re: HPB on the mechanical arrangement of SD MSS

Daniel wrote:

> (3)  At the time when HPB writes about the mechanical
arrangement of her
> SD MSS, she is not necessarily talking about the mechanical
arrangement,
> physical layout, etc. of the finished product (the two physical
volumes
> published in 1888).  Is she ?

Not *necessarily; yet effect follows cause.

Let us, maybe, continue to explore the question: WHY the
"*mechanical*
arrangement"?

". . . .. the Lotus-seed contains within itself a perfect
miniature of the
future plant, which typifies the fact that the spiritual
prototypes of all
things exist in the immaterial world before those things become
materialized
on Earth. (SD,I, 58).

What is/was the *cause*/seed of "The Secret Doctrine"? Whence/how
did it
flower; to become "materialized on Earth"?


I would say you have to look for this on the plane of the Akasa
and also know the inter-play of cycles - one of which demanded
that Theosophy be spread abroad.

Theosophy is NOT physical, but METAPHYSICAL, even though for us
to grasp and understand, it needs a physical vehicle.

The difference between these two is so vast that volumes might
have to be written to make all points absolutely clear.  As
students strive to learn and work with what is given they find
that their intuition (Buddhic vision) becomes progressively
available.  The lower mind has to become "porous" to the meanings
of the Higher Mind - but first the lower mind has to apprehend
the presence of this HIGHER MIND internally.  The key is the
BROTHERHOOD, harmony and generosity to others that is always so
insisted on.  A morality of sharing and not grabbing.

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"But you must know and remember one thing: we but follow and
*servilely copy
nature* in her works." (Letter VI, ML's).  Is "The Secret
Doctrine" itself
a/the servile copy of nature (Masters = Nature)?  If so, what is
its
"spiritual prototype"?  A'kasha? Dzyan? Stanzas *of* Dzyan?
Sen-zar? Senzar?

Seems like a confusion of terms and ideas which could be cleared
up by using the THEOSOPHICAL GLOSSARY - HPB under those terms.

All those terms have their place and relevance to the serious
student.  One has to acquire a theosophical vocabulary as a
result of inquiry and serious study.

Is not to "servilely copy" an exact  - shall we call it
*mechanical*? -
process?   [ ML 22 ]

  Dallas:

 I am using the original edition of ML, 1923/1948 reprint.

Consider what is said on ML p. 180,  40-1,  65,  about the use of
occult powers by the Mahatmas.  P. 51, 4, 8, 157, -the duties and
work of the Mahatmas.  Their restrictions p. 20.  The destiny
planned for the T S  p. 23, 20, 24-5.  The work of the FTS  p. 80
top, 90-1, 144.  On force and Law  pp. 140-1, 160-176,


Can Lipika/Karma be subject to error/deviation?


The Lipika as described in the S D are the recorders, the
"scribes" who record in the imperishable Akasa all that happens

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Was HPB cutting/shifting/pasting at her own (personal) whim and
fancy; or
was she obeying ORDERS?  Was she ORDERED to cut/shift/paste until
miserable, sick of it, for a reason?  Why could not the *final*
MSS, once "mechanically arranged", be those as presented to the
printer for the plates?


Perhaps she was and perhaps she was not.  You have to also take
into account that HPB to be and work as she did was also an
Adept - working through the personality we know of as Helena. P.
Blavatsky.  The two are different, and she used the designation
HPB to indicate this.  Few seem to have grasped this, But then,
also, few seem to have studied the 7-fold nature of the Universe
and Man and grasped what the constitution of an Adept is in
reality.

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"Yourself, some fine morning, while poring over its [Journal]
crooked
columns with the sharpened wits of a well rested brain, peering
into what
you now view as hazy, impalpable speculations, having only the
consistency
of vapour, - yourself may, perchance, perceive in them the
unexpected
solution of an old, blurred, forgotten "dream" of yours, which
once
*recalled* will impress itself in an indelible image upon your
*outer* from
your inner memory, to never fade out from it again.  All this is
possible
and *may* happen; for our ways *are* the ways of "Madmen"  . .
." (Letter
XLVIII, ML's).

Dallas:

And if this was said to Sinnett, does it not also apply to us ?

The MAHATMA LETTERS is full of great and important suggestions.
The SECRET DOCTRINE makes them clear and expands them.

Those are my opinions,		Dallas

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Kindest regards,
Paul