Theos-Talk Archives (September 1998 Message tt00178)

Dear Dallas,

Without exactly desiring to take sides in this discussion,
I do want to openly thank you for this contribution. My feeling
is that you touched important points/aspects:

1) They work under rules and limitations that can not be broken;
2) We should make the best use we can of the help offered;
3) Karma operates. There is the Karma of the race, the
    Karma of the messengers, and the Karma of those
    those who are attracted to work with the messengers;
4) Because of that, the work of the messengers usually
    is done under very difficult/limitating circunstances;
5) Also partly because of that, truth is almost always covered
    with odd forms like confusion, craziness and aparent
    worthylessness - let us just think of the message of Jesus,
    in those days, coming from Palestine - why not from Rome?;
6) The message is almost incomprehensible to us today when
     Mystery Schools almost vanished from our daily life/culture;
7) HPB and her assistants, specially the Keightleys and Mead,
    did what they could under very limitating circunstances -
    can we benefit from their work, and should not we try to help
    them to improve what they did?

Best wishes to all,  Arnaldo.


-----Mensagem original-----
De: W. Dallas TenBroeck <dalval@nwc.net>
Para: theos-talk@theosophy.com <theos-talk@theosophy.com>
Data: Sexta-feira, 11 de Setembro de 1998 18:39
Assunto:  RE: HPB's 1888 edition of THE SECRET DOCTRINE? Masters
and participation in recording Theos. Literature.


>Sept 11th 1998
>
>Dallas offers::
>
>In several places the Masters, writing to Mr. Sinnett show that
>They have their rules and limitations as to how much they can
>interfere and use their "powers" in making adjustments and
>framing the progress of the Theosophical Movement and the
>Literature that they provided for study through HPB.
>
>I use the 1923 Edition of ML for these page references:
>
>They indicate that their rules were framed aeons ago, and could
>not be broken.
>[ see ML pp. 8-9, 18-19, 376, 446-7, 458,  Theosophist V. 2, pp
>180-4, ]
>
>They indicate that the students and those who work with humanity
>have to make the best use they can of the help offered.  In other
>words Karma operates.  There is the Karma of the race at the time
>of re-promulgation.  Karma of the Messengers. And, the Karma of
>those who are attracted to work closely with the Messengers at
>that time. [ See ML 203, 10, 34-5, 263, 368, 257, 296, 325, 484,
>328-9, - How HPB was selected, and the desperate situation under
>which the work was to be done, and the vicissitudes of the
>passing times and work.  Pp. 310-17, 376, 446-7, 458, ]
>
>I would say that much of what is written in ML is almost
>incomprehensible to us in the West, where the traditions of the
>Mystery and Occult Schools has been banished for over 1500 years.
>
>The chela has to become an Adept through his own efforts  p. 144
>
>The Teacher takes on the karma of the pupil: failure or success,
>p. 284.
>
>The chela should never ask for anything,  p.  337.
>
>The Work of the Mahatmas:  pp. 51-3, 180-1, 385.
>
>Apparently the work of editing and issuing the S D fell fully on
>HPB and her assistants.  The Keightleys and Mead have written on
>their part in this.  The Masters provided the material in many
>cases (as Dr. Hubbe-Schlieden and Col. Olcott have noted) and
>from then on it was up to HPB to put it into something that could
>be published.
>
>So what is the purpose of accusing the Masters of carelessness or
>of assuming that all the "errors" in ISIS, the SD, and various
>Articles are evidence for assumed carelessness ?  Could we have
>done better ?
>
>Dallas