Theos-Talk Archives (September 1998 Message tt00025)

Sept. 3rd 1998

Dear Martin:

Your suggestion about those interested studying a question or subject
together is good.
And in my opinion it is one we can all participate in.

In fact in your positing of June 9th you had asked 2 questions.  I was
looking up material when my computer crashed (and so did I for a while) so
never answered - at least not yet.  May I offer some thoughts on those even
if so late ?

ISIS I  part 1	Re.:  70,000 years BC and the Egyptian civilization and
artifacts.

I believe that this has reference to the Atlantean wisdom, and as the
ancient Egyptians in their prime are said by her to be an Atlantean colony,
it would stand to reason that they had a history of at least 70,000 years.

[ see also  SD I 203fn, 208-9, 435, 439fn.;
S D  II 147, 177, 289, 317, 341, 345, 374fn, 431-6, 456, 577, 588, 752-4,
769,
ISIS I 122, 440-1, 557-8, 567, 590-5,  ISIS  II 217-8, 425,  438, 487-8,

S D and ISIS INDEXes have a number of interesting references under Giants,
Cyclops, Titans, Kabiri, Pyramids, Sphinx, etc., ]

Pyramids	S D  I 314 617;  T. Gloss pp. 135-6 223 300;
		S D  II  93 276fn 351-3 429 435 462-6 575  749-58
		ISIS  I  i54 573 618

Sphinx  (Harmachus)	T. Gloss 135-6,  IS I 573;  SD II 124 618


2.

SD II 38	on Limits of Science and Theology.

Regarding the current state of science and theology.  After writing this,
HPB in the later part of SD II proceeds to show where both can evolve
together.

Science has to proceed to understand the CAUSES of that which lies behind
phenomena.  She indicates that the nature of electricity, magnetism,
attraction, repulsion, gravity, ether, lie in SUBSTANCE which exists on
ANOTHER PLANE.

This sounds mysterious.  But the use of the physical EFFECTS of our
manipulations using physical constructs, on the substances of another plane
(astral, etheric, pranic, jivic ????) need to be understood.  Using
destructive analytical techniques, we have found out that the "atom" is an
electrical vortexes of minute forces - quarks, muons, etc., -- but that does
not tell us what THEY ARE IN REALITY.

It is those REALITIES that Occult Science considers and describes (as well
as it is able for us to understand and beginning to get some idea of them
from the information and observations that we have made on this single plane
of matter we deal with all the time when we are awake).  I say this because
I believe we tend to materialize all things within the limits of our present
perceptions and the information we are taught at school, etc.,  That is not
the end of the matter says Theosophy and Occultism.

The first thing we have to grasp is the concept that SPIRIT Is everything.

Nothing ever "dies."  It changes form, but as an ESSENCE it is an eternal
entity.

Next:  LAW rules everywhere, all the time, and the present manifestation of
anything is the result of its earlier embodiment.

The Universe, Sun, Earth, man, all are reincarnations of themselves as they
were previously constituted - a period of rest between manifestations has
occurred for all.

Each Earth/World is a place for study and growth of MIND-BEINGS.  That is
MONADS which have entered the mind phase of development - a "humanity."

The next is that Nature, Universe, Man is SEVEN-FOLD.  The nature and
quality of these seven divisions are given in SD II 179 241 348 577  ii 87
593-6 632 639-41

The development of the Mind and all its powers is the condition of our being
at present an humanity.  Alone, the Mind allows us to perceive and see
differences, origins, potential results, and the possible causes employing
these.

What is it that drives this Mind?  It is "Desire" and the "Will" to study,
to learn and to apply.[ SD II 176, 578-9 ]

So long as we resist learning and applying this information, we will remain
bound to the current physical view of things, which fails to give us the
CAUSES.

There is an important old verse in Hindu literature:

	The one CONSCIOUSNESS pierces up and down through all the states or planes
of Being, and serves to uphold the memory - whether complete or incomplete
of each state's experiences.

	The ONE CONSCIOUSNESS of each person is the WITNESS, or SPECTATOR of the
actions and experiences ate we are in or pass through.

In both Science and Religion there have been many changes and advances since
the
HPB wrote.  She indicated that the date 1897/1898 would witness some
important changes and we have seen them arrive and there are more to come.

The basics do not change.  The facts of Nature do not change. Our perception
and understanding grows.  It is our present avenue of growth.

In researching the sources and basis for scripture, many errors have been
discovered and rectified - in Christianity and in Hinduism, Tibetan,
Buddhism.  The translations we
have relied on have proved faulty.

I hope this is helpful.

Dallas

> From: Martin Leiderman
> Sent:	Wednesday, September 02, 1998 7:00 PM
> Subject: Study Theosophy On-LineConcealed Archaeology

Dear fellows, Is there a possibility  to study together, like sections
of the SD, Mahatma Letters, etc,  as part of the Theosophical sharing of
ideas?

Martin Leiderman