Theos-Talk Archives (August 1998 Message tt00485)

Jake wrote:

>      Are you for real?  How many "Marshalls" do you know who are women?

Before your post (the one I responded to previously), I had no idea what
"Sutraman's" birth name was - so how could I possibly know what gender the
person was?  The name "Marshall" was never entered into the discussion I
was referring to - at least, that I recall.

>'And
>if one is not sure it is an insult anyway.

Not being sure if one is male or female through e-mail is an insult?  First
time I've ever heard that - nor do I believe it.

>Also the guy posted on theos-talk a
>"rap" or free lance verse of a sorts about his appeal for various sorts of
>women - rather catchy.

I've no idea to what post you're referring to here.

>I don't know what world you live in, but if someone
>unjustly gets implied to have a gender identity problem around here, they
>might get killed for it.

"Gender identity problem" does not even enter into this discussion - we're
talking about people not knowing - via e-mail - whether one is male or
female.  Gender-identity is an entirely different subject and issue.

>I think you are not for real....  Maybe this petty
>criticism (a whole pointless letter!) is a typical femine masochistic ruse to
>come on to me.... since it doesn't make sense otherwise.   Are you just
coming
>on to me Kym?   Well, I'm an old codger, almost, closing in on 50,  so set
>your sites on some young buck, I'm not interested.

Why is that many men think that when a woman (or a man) disagrees with them
or thinks them vacant in particular areas of thinking that the woman is
"just coming on to them?"  That is an amazing and ridiculous train of
reasoning and has often resulted in women being subject, due to this crap,
to very dangerous situations.  Maybe some men on this line will think your
reference is funny, but I do not.

Let me make it clear to you, Jake:  1) I think you were out of line and
facts, and just plain unfair, in your attack upon Dallas (I may be guilty
of that myself).  2) There is NO solicitation for sex, or any other kind of
personal relationship, in my post to you (nor has there ever been nor will
there ever be) and for you to infer publically that it is IS a major, and
unacceptable, insult.

Finally, your statement "typical femine masochistic ruse" is filthy and
dead wrong.  Your opinion of women (which includes not only me, but the
wives, girlfriends, daughters, mothers and all other females who are held
near and dear in the hearts of men on this list) is revolting.

End of thread. - No, on second thought, I'm out of here altogether.  I'm
sick to death of men thinking this way and other men standing by while it
happens.  This isn't the first time you've (and one or two others) spouted
off like this (espousing views very detrimental to women) - and no one else
besides me spoke up about it.  Silence is responsible for many tragedies in
this world - and when those who claim to be "theosophical" spew or stand
silently by when it is happening right in front of them need some serious
'looking-in-the-mirror' time.

And to those of you who may have been upset at such degrading references to
women (or any other person or group), but decided to stay silent figuring
it wasn't worth it - I ask you to ask yourselves "Not worth it to whom?"


Later, gentlemen,


Kym