Theos-Talk Archives (August 1998 Message tt00276)

><< The Abyss itself is actually the plane containing Globes A' and G'  >>
>
>It seems from the diagram on p. 346 in GdeP's FUNDAMENTALS
>OF ESOTERIC PHILOSOPHY that Globes A and G would be on
>a higher plane of matter/energy. i.e., Lower Mental.  Globes B and F
>would be Astral, C and E would be Etheric and the Globe D would
>be dense physical matter.  This is how it's explained in Jinarajadasa's
>FIRST PRINCIPLES OF THEOSOPHY on p. 226.

We can play around with words, but I pretty much agree with this (I prefer
A & G on the causal, B & F on the mental, C & E on the astral, and D on
the physical).  "Lower Mental" for the fourth plane really doesn't work
well because there is no real thinking there -- its equivalent to a coma
or dreamless sleep.

>  Globes A and G
>then would be Kama-Manasic but necessarily in the "abyss" as
>would the dense physical globe D, a globe where we are all
>struggling with dense physicality.

I didn't say A and G, but A' and G' (note the primes). Actually though,
I think G de P used B' and F' (I don't have his books with me right now).
The point I am making is that the Abyss is the third plane down or
fifth up, and it, like all of the inner five planes, contains two Globes.


>The denser the matter the more
>imprisoned is the Monad.

This sounds confusing to me but it is not your fault that the early
Theosophical writers used "monad" too much. I prefer to think that
there is only one real monad (indivisible unit) and that is the divine
monad beyond our 7-plane solar system, and it does'nt feel imprisoned
at all because its not--only its "ray" is. An interesting sidebar here
is your use of the word imprisoned because Crowley taught that
the only real sin is restriction of any kind.

>This is truly abysmal compared to a
>living on globes made of mental matter.  I find therefore Purucker's
>description of the two higher globes as "the Abyss" perplexing and
>mystifying. Any thoughts on this, Dallas or Jerry ?
>

Whoa! G de P gave us the higher three planes with their
upper 5 Globes, but he never used the term Abyss. The equation
of fifth plane=Abyss is my own and I do it only to compare HPB's
model with the Qabalistic Tree of ten Sephiroth. If we allow that
Globes B' and F' (the two just above A and G, and lying in the fifth
plane upward) are equivalent to Daath, then we have a remarkable
similarity between HPB's model and the Tree of Life.

Jerry S.