Theos-Talk Archives (June 1998 Message tt00560)

June 24th

Dear Annette:

It's always a win/win -- Its a contest of smiles if we "know our
business."  Antagonisms and arguments are such a distancing
annoyance -- they have no future only retrospective pain.  and
also, a feel of terrible incompleteness. -- as though one had
failed to get through to the other his or her anxious interest.

All good ideas and statements could be reduced (and perhaps  we
ought to try to do this consistently) to the level where a child
would understand.  The child trusts the elders to be honest and
true.  The elders, have (or ought) to respect this.  (Not all
do.)

Tome theosophy is like abc, or 1, 2, 3 -- it "adds' up and is
inclusive, and not selective.   But it does ask for clarity.

I don't think we will ever conclude our questionings.  The more
we compare the more we grow in understanding.  It is, after all a
brotherhood, one in which we share.

Who are the "gods ?"  I firmly think that we are the "gods."  WE
are those who know that deep down inside there is an immortal
something.  It is the source of "my" I-ness.  And you, and
everyone else has their own.  But once that we get down to that
level we find that we are touching each other most intimately and
that the units form a vast WHOLE.  Gone are the differences.
They were not important anyway.

Remember that Theosophy only claims to narrate "history."  It is
not constructed or imagined by either HPB or her Masters of
Wisdom.  they have the capacity ( which is latent in most of us)
to see into the Akasa -- the superior Astral Light and see the
record of all events and persons who participated there.  In
other words they can trace our heritage.  We suspect it.

The revolutions of civilizations and the dance of the
"inferior/superior" does not matter in the long run, as all comes
out even, with understanding and a common goal achieved by all,
eventually -- and then on to further work -- there are all the
in-coming life-atoms to assist.  So work never really ends.

I think that if we try to 'work for ourselves' alone, for some
hoped for advancement, one really gets nowhere, as that can only
be achieved by active sharing, and by helping others.  The
"professor" remains ahead of the classes of pupils because he
keeps his knowledge green in its entirety and keeps on extending
it.  The pupils are forever playing catch up.  Now if the
"professor" takes a rest, then the "pupils" may catch up.  Hence
the idea of taking time out for a Nirvana or two would be quite
unrealistic.

The 2nd volume of the  S D narrates the progress of various
"races" etc... but it deals not with the physiological interplay
and development (which our archaeologists deal with in
classifying fossils) but the Theosophic archaeologist deals with
the psychic and the mental and the spiritual heredity, and that
is on a quite different stratum from the physical and the stony
remains.  In reading the S D one has to take care to disentangle
all these lines.

All "souls" are basically "good."  But some allow their minds to
get entangled with their desires to such an extent that the
desires over-rule the power  of the Spirit to get common sense to
be heard.

And that's about all I had in mind.

Gotta go to work -- bye for the mo.            Dal.

> Date: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 11:30 PM
> From: "Annette Rivington" <libidium@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: Re: The Beginning/End

>Dear Dallas, footnote:
>Just to let you know that I have just finished reading "The
Children of
>The Law of One", "Archaic History of the Human Race and "Man at
Home in
>the Universe", and in so doing have answered most of the
questions in my
>last post, except: why does the Universal One/Consciouness/God
screw up
>so much?  (I know, it's our human perception and limited
comprehension)
>:)
>
>I prefered the concept in "The Children..." book as it is more
like
>"whoops, didn't take the lower vibration of the physical into
account"
>as the second wave, who were to be the ascended Masters, watched
what
>happened to the first wave.
>Theosophy is more like "the process takes billions of years
though 7
>rounds and 7 races and x7 sub-races and the gods screwed up at
each race
>and it will not all be right until the 7th, and then it could
happen all
>over again on another planet."
>
>I wanted to bring a kindly sort of closure to our debate,
win-win maybe?
>As I was reading the Theosophy, I kept thinking, "how would you
write
>this in a children's picture book so that you could teach it at
a point
>when we know that the human mind is forming concepts for
permancence?"
>Now if your answer is that it is not for children or narrow
brained
>incarnations like me in general, then forget universality
leading to
>botherhood, IMHO.
>
>Also, I have not changed my mind about why the books sometimes
turn me
>off as follows, with quotes (and I know this is an unscientific
sample):
>
>Me: The concept of "gods" that manipulate creation, pick and
choose what
>they will incarnate in and what they will discard, and control
the
>evolution of the human race.  If the Pitris et al had waited and
got
>together .... this problem of ours of body, mind, and spirit
>disconnection would not have happened.  Can you see it from my
point of
>view?  I don't know which is worse to be faced with... an old
man in the
>sky who got it darn near perfect and then threw us out because
we
>overstepped our bounds, or a bunch of Lords of Wisdom that
appear to be
>developing on the fly using us as a vessel.  That's being
extreme, but
>it makes my point.
>
>Readings: Archaic History pp 1-29
>p29: "The Sons of Wisdom, the Sons of Night...ready for rebirth
came
>down.  They saw the (intellectually) vile forms of the first
third
>(still senseless Race.)  "We can choose", said the Lords, "we
have
>wisdom." etc.
>van Pelt comments: "H.P. Blavatsky...says this Stanza contains
the whole
>key to the mysteries of evil.  It explains the puzzling
equalities in
>human life, and many problems which have baffled the great minds
of our
>races.  Intellect may said to have been born at this time, and
during
>this Fourth Round it developed as a fit vehicle for the higher
faculty,
>Buddhi, or intuition.  But Manas or mind will not be fully
developed
>until the next or Fifth Round, and will have the opportunity of
becoming
>entirely divine at the end of the Seventh Round."
>
>ME: Linear concepts, man being the pinacle of creation, standard
>evolutionary concepts mixed with Indian legends, class
structures all
>over the place, and the following, which is a massive BARRIER to
>universality:
>"Those who were "not ready", are represented at present by some
native
>Australian, African and Oceanic tribes (snip) and as conscious
life
>grows, each is given what he has earned."
>
>For me the explanation that it is not my fault, nor the fault of
the
>"gods" and that nature compensates by giving no Karma to work
out, "as
>their more favored brethren in intelligence had", so that "in
this
>respect the poor savage is more fortunate than the greatest
genius of
>civilized countries", gets my back up something chronic.
>
>I have to tell you that I always start out reading Theosophy
with
>interest and expected acceptance, and end up either angry or
depressed.
>E.G. "The First (Race) on every zone was moon-coloured
(yellow-white);
>the Second, yellow, like gold; the Third, red; the Fourth,
brown, which
>became black with sin."
>It doesn't matter that the first seven (human) shoots were all
of one
>complexion in the beginning, or that the next (seven, the sub
races)
>began mixing their colours, the damamge is done and her white
supremacy
>slip is showing.  "like gold, black with sin", my stars!
>
>"All had common origin, inasmuch as all the 'Creators' were
Divine
>Beings, though of different classes or degrees of perfection in
their
>Hierarchy.  THIS ACCOUNTS FOR THE DIFFERENCE OF RACES, THE
INFERIORITY
>OF SAVAGES, AND OTHER HUMAN VARIETIES."
>
>ME: I guess the earth changes that destroyed the unfit ones
didn't quite
>work?  It matters not IMHO that we are now past that phase in
>incarnations, people latch onto these concepts and use them to
support
>their desire to practice prejudice, not as an explanation and
promise to
>never do it again.
>
>I have a problem with the Lemuria and Atlantis stuff, as it is
opposite
>to what others have written on and have experienced in astral
travel to
>both times and places.
>
>And finally, I am devastated to read that the Americans are the
chosen
>ones.  Or maybe not.  The Hopi's look like a 90% probability to
be the
>only surviviors of this next round of "cleansing".
>
>You have shown me Dallas that different people "read into" these
works
>in different ways and I am most happy that you have found a
lifetime of
>growth and peace in it.  It certainly appears that my husband
may too.
>That is excellent.  Except, it is nigh on two years now that he
found
>Theosophy.  Before that he was "working" on his spiritual
development
>what I call actively, with some martial arts for discipline and
>exercise, courses in various arts, sciences and business fields,
>exploring with groups of other "beliefs", and doing add jobs
around the
>house and garden.  Now it seems as if he is reading and waiting,
almost
>as if any action by himself is irrelevant.  THAT scares me.  But
when I
>read the texts too and get the feeling that I am some pawn in
the
>creators' plan, a plan that takes billion of years on a fixed
>evolutionary path that I cannot impact, (except perhaps by
screwing up
>and creating frightening Karma), I can understand this possible
>reaction.  Many people, like my husband, are waiting for a
something to
>come along and explain it all away as not their fault,
predestined, not
>in their control.  When Theosophy supports that desire, I cannot
support
>Theosophy.  I believe that we are the fallen ones, disconnected
from the
>one supremeness by our choice, and that it is our responsibility
and
>lifework to make it back in whatever way works best for us and
for the
>whole concurrently.  So, I think still that we are not at
variance in
>intent.
>
>My debate with you was concerning why I believed that there were
issues
>impeding universal acceptance and I think enough is enough,
BECAUSE what
>ever the text, the people whom I have met here are good souls.
>And so I think the comment made about the works being pointers
for an
>intellectual path of self discovery and development is a good
one and I
>have no qualms in commenting that HPB should be required reading
in any
>good education system.
>Blessed Be
>Annette
>
>