Theos-Talk Archives (March 1998 Message tt00274)

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    It is most fortunate that threads are able to continue on this
democratic, free and open forum. Even capital letters ( perhaps trying
to express some authority or assumption of  power) aside, the
conversation seems to be going along in a very proper, lawfull manner. I
for one look forward to the next few days. It appears to me that headway
is being made and EVERYONE will be the better for it.
    IMO, you should rethink trying to stifle or alter the free
expression we so value on these lists, in the TS, and as eveolving human
beings.
    My Peace Profound, Ken Malkin

Fernando de Freitas wrote:

>      I feel that this discussion gave to us a lot of instructive
> opinions and quotes (like HPB article "Psychism and No-etic").    I
> think that is so clear what is the "theosophical" point of view about
> this subject.    Personal point of views not needs to be accept by
> others... although  it's may be unconfortable for the "low self" of
> the owner.    The "Letters from the Masters of the Wisdom " says that
> the "chela" can force the Masters accept him...but only through OURS
> ACTS.    Only the will of "being special"  or suppose "channalizing",
> can to carry us -no longer than- to the Kama-Loka and yours
> illusions...    But, I don't think that is need to prolong this
> discution... who can learn something with this just do it...; who
> can't until now...probably will continues trying justify yours
> personals points of view... Fernando de Freitas-----Mensagem
> original-----
> De: M K Ramadoss <ramadoss@eden.com>
> Para: theos-talk@theosophy.com <theos-talk@theosophy.com>
> Data: Segunda-feira, 30 de Março de 1998 03:01
> Assunto: Re:masters???>N.Malcom wrote:
> >>
> >> I've been reading the posts with some increasing anxiety about the
> amount
> >> of mental "shoving" going on. I'm also confused. In the quote about
> Olcott
> >> describing HPB as directing the spirits instead of being controlled
> by
> >> them...this quote doesn't have anything to do with the Masters does
> it? I
> >> thought HPB always insisted the Masters were living men. If so, she
> didn't
> >> do any "channeling" from the Masters, it would have been more a
> form of
> >> telepathic communication wouldn't it, from living brain/mind to
> living
> >> brain/mind? I'm not as studied as most on this list, and perhaps
> she did
> >> have communication with a
> >> deceased Master, but didn't she also warn against trying to
> communicate
> >> with the dead? Wasn't that the whole big "fight" between Theosophy
> and the
> >> Spiritualist?  Just asking-- Nancy
> >>
> >
> >>From what I have read, here are the facts relating to HPB.
> >
> >1. Adepts/Masters who did have a physical body did communicate with
> her
> >telepathically quite frequently.
> >
> >2. Adepts/Masters are also used HPB's physical body &ndash; she
> consciously
> >stepped out of the body to let an Adept temporarily make use of her
> body
> >to speak or write. HPB was fully aware of what was going on and the
> >Adept made use of her body only with her explicit permission. Adepts
> did
> >not control her in the traditional sense of one person controlling
> >another.
> >
> >Hope this clarifies.
> >
> >Mkr