Theos-Talk Archives (January 1998 Message tt00228)

Dear Reed:

Glad to read yours of 19th.  I did get the title wrong.  It is ISIS
UNVEILED AND THE VISHISHTADWAITA that I meant.  Thanks for correcting me.

I also agree that there is very great importance IN THE paragraphs you
quoted.  Parannirvana probably corresponds to a Maha Kalpa in terms of
length of time -- which in "eternity" has no significance.

This kind of thinking certainly broadens and deepens our minds, I think.

As to the vindication of theosophical teachings by the "Big Bang" theory, I
would say that physically that would be impossible if confined to a single
point.  But why not consider that a "plane" or a "sphere" is the basis for
manifestation to re-begin ?  Then the simultaneity of the return to
awareness implied by "manifestation" or "creation" would be better
understood -- as a vast but immutable and changeless "process" always under
KARMA (as aspect of the ABSOLUTE) which makes it necessary after this
"rest" period of Paranirvana for the evolutionary processes to recommence
for those MONADS who are involved in it.

The vastness of the concept is one which we need not deal with as the Dhyan
chohans, and the Dhyani Buddhas are those who have no doubt that task.  We
have enough to direct effort to our own progress and the practice of that
kind of brotherhood which is educative and of service to others -- or so I
think it works.

Best wishes as always,


		Dallas TenBroeck

dalval@nwc.net                        (818) 222-8024
                   23145 Park Contessa,
            Calabasas, Ca., 91302, USA.

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> From: "Reed Carson" <carson@tellworld.com>
> Subject: Re:the unmanifested
> Date: Monday, January 19, 1998 12:00 PM
>
> Dear Dallas
>
> >
> >In regard to the question of considering the 1st LOGOS as 'unmanifest'
does
> >it not serve as a metaphysical LINK between the ABSOLUTENESS and the 2nd

> >LOGOS (which is the Manifesting Logos) ?
> Yes, I think this a reasonable way of saying things and the correct idea.

> >
> >Any "manifestation" has to be within the process of Karmic LAW.
> >
> >Apparently that LAW has its ultimate "residence" in the ABSOLUTE -- but
> >even that is not a limitation to IT. HPB writing in "The Secret Doctrine

> >and the Vishistadwaita" (HPB ARTICLES -ULT Edn.- Vol, 3, p. 265) as I
read
> >it indicates that the "skandhas" relating to all beings that made up the

> >earlier Manvanatara were the basis because they did not get "rubbed out"
of
> >the next Manvanatara and were so to say stored during the intervening
> >Pralaya.
> I believe you are refering to the article "Isis Unveiled and the
> Vishistadwaita". You have pointed to an article that it seems to me
should
> receive wider notice in Theosophical circles. The last paragraph of it is

> striking and says:
> **********
> ! Whether it be orthodox Adwaita or not, I maintain as an occultist, on
the
> authority of the Secret Doctrine, that though merged entirely into
> Parabrahm, man's spirit while not individual per se, yet preserves its
> distinct individuality in Paranirvana, owing to the accumulation in it of

> the aggregates, or skandhas that have survived after each death, from the

>
> highest faculties of the Manas. The most spiritual--i.e., the highest and

> divinest aspirations of every personality follow Buddhi and the Seventh
> Principle into Devachan (Swarga) after the death of each personality
along
> the line of rebirths, and become part and parcel of the Monad. The
> personality fades out, disappearing before the occurrence of the
evolution
> of the new personality (rebirth) out of Devachan: but the individuality
of
> the spirit-soul [dear, dear, what can be made out of this English!] is
> preserved to the end of the great cycle (Maha-Manwantara) when each Ego
> enters Paranirvana, or is merged in Parabrahm. To our talpatic, or
> mole-like, comprehension the human spirit is then lost in the One Spirit,
as
> the drop of water thrown into the sea can no longer be traced out and
> recovered. But de facto it is not so in the world of immaterial thought.
> This latter stands in relation to the human dynamic thought, as, say, the

> visual power through the strongest conceivable microscope would to the
sight
> of a half-blind man: and yet even this is a most insufficient simile--the

> difference is "inexpressible in terms of foot-pounds." That such
Parabrahmic
> and Paranirvanic "spirits," or units, have and must preserve their divine

> (not human) individualities, is shown in the fact that, however long the
> "night of Brahma" or even the Universal Pralaya (not the local Pralaya
> affecting some one group of worlds) yet, when it ends, the same
individual
> Divine Monad resumes its majestic path of evolution, though on a higher,
> hundredfold perfected and more pure chain of earths than before, and
brings
> with it all the essence of compound spiritualities from its previous
> countless rebirths. Spiral evolution, it must be remembered, is dual, and

>
> the path of spirituality turns, corkscrew-like, within and around
physical,
> semi-physical, and supra-physical evolution. But I am being tempted into
> details which had best be left for the full consideration which their
> importance merits to my forthcoming work, the Secret Doctrine.
> ********
> You say "Apparently that LAW has its ultimate "residence" in the
ABSOLUTE".
> This paragraph you quoted makes that conclusion necessary. The turning
> "corkscrew" as she calls it seems to be doing much more than resting. And

> so karma seems to be functioning nonstop. Still I think we would agree
that
> even with this unusual glimpse she has given us (in this obscure article)
we
> must continue to avoid applying any attributes to the Absolute.
>
> >
> >Our daily going to sleep and awakening the next morning must have
something
> >analogous to that in terms of our present earth-bound consciousness, I
> >think.
> >
> >As I read the S D , it seems that what is today called hypothetically in

> >Astro Physics "The Big Bang" is actually the reawakening of the Universe

> >into manifestation as a "plane," or a "sphere" [ beginning Round 1,
Globe A
> >with the 1st group or Host of Beings to begin to set the basis for
further
> >development. We at this time are supposed, as HPB defines it (SD I
199-201
> >) , to be in the 4th Round, 4th Globe (Globe D), 5th Race, 5th Sub-Race.

> >There seems to be a lot of confusion about how to accurately define this

> >matter. But it is all there in the S D and can be verified by using the
> >INDEX and putting the references together.
> Many students of Theosophy feel that the Big Bang theory vindicates
> Theosophy. It is easy to note the correspondence to the Breath of Brahma.

> In my opinion this is a much more complex and difficult issue. Some years

> ago I was attempting to weigh whether the statements of the SD supported
the
> Big Bang or not. My conclusion was that there were statements that
> supported both yes and the no answer but that the greater weight seemed
> against the big bang. In scientific circles at that time there was some
new
> thought that electromagnetic theories should be given greater weight than

> the gravitational ones (that supply the math for the big bang). At that
> time the idea that the big bang never happened was growing amongst
> electrical engineers (they were more at home with electromagnetism) and
was
> growing only a little amongst astrophysicists (who were more at home with

> gravity.). I do not know how opinion stands today. Bottom line: my guess
> is that the big bang never happened and the SD does not support the big
bang
> as science has fashioned it. I personally think that what seems to be
your
> idea, (bringing in rounds, races, and differing states of matter) could
> point to the real truth of the matter and that could be some
substantially
> altered version of "expansion" and "origintion" of the universe.
>
> Reed Carson
>
>
>