Theos-Talk Archives (January 1998 Message tt00044)

Thanks Jerry for your words
but give example or two
of out of context charge.

Was W Judge in direct contact with
Mrs Blavatsky's Masters during
period under discussion?  W Judge's
letters tell that he received letters
thru Mrs Blavatsky.  This is not debatable.
But his letters do not show
that he was in intimate & independent
communication with Masters at least
1879-86.  Why do you desire to
contradict W Judge's written words?

As I told Mr Eklund, Im not skeptic but
want to get at truth.



>May I also add that the letters below are removed from their
>historical
>context.  An out-of-context collection of letters can also be
>collected to
>prove that Judge was in contact with the Masters.  So what does this
>prove?
>My own reading of the letters below (after filling in the missing
>context)
>suggests that Judge was very much acquainted with the Masters even at
>these
>e
>Masters.  Olcott saw much of the Masters because he happened to be at
>HPB's
>side during this period?  When Olcott and HPB separated in 1886,
>things
>changed for Olcott, and he suddenly wasn't getting daily visits from
>the
>Masters.  But things were warming up for Judge.  As HPB wrote in >1888,
Judge
>has been a chela of the Masters since 1875.  Obviously chelas undergo
>periods
>of testing.  Judge's period of testing continued until 1888 when he
>then
>became an integral and important part in the promulgation of >Theosophy
in
>America and  throughout the world.  Olcott worked on his library.
>
>JJHE>



>Dara Eklund wrote:

> Dear Skeptic:
>
>         All your letters (or fragments?) quoted below exclude the last
10
> years of Mr. Judge's life, and ignore statements by H.P.B. regarding
his
> chelaship.
>
> >I have received from
> >several theosophists on >theos-talk letters of WQ Judge.  He writes
> >about his lack of communication with the Masters:
> >
> >"Now I would be very much pleased could I know
> >from whom it [the note] came, whether Kashmir
> >or M. or who of all the long list of great ones.
> >........I have also in a black walnut affair
> >between the windows in an inner place the brass
> >gong given me in 1878.  But nothing ever comes
> >there, of which I complain not, inasmuch as
> >I suppose I am not able to receive anything."
> >Letter of January 12, 1881 to HPB and Co.
> >
> >"Once I had the honour and advantage of
> >hearing wisdom from M. but that has ceased long
> >ago.......I do not even suppose M. would
> >answer you in regard to me except in enigmatical
> >terms, however much either of us desired........
> >Will you dare to speak to M. for me?.......
> >Will you ask him whether he considers it worth
> >while to send me through you a word of advice.
> >......."Letter of July 26th 1881 to Damodar Malankaar
> >
> >"Although I never had the name given me I have
> >when Mme. Blavatsky was here had the honor of
> >hearing from him viva voce, I mean Koot Hoomi and
> >also from others............While H.P.B. was here,
> >they came many and many a time and spoke with
> >Olcott and myself.  but their identity was
> >secure because neither of us at that time could
> >piece the wall of matter and see the true
> >occupant.  We had to depend entirely upon
> >changes of expression." Letter of August 1,
> >1881 to Alfred Sinnett
> >
> >"I know that M. and the other are watching me------
> >and maybe helping too-------but they say nothing."
> >Letter of Jan 16, 1882 to HS Olcott
> >

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