Theos-Talk Archives (November 1997 Message tt00437)

At 05:21 PM 11/29/97 -0500, Jerry Schueler wrote:
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>>>>I have been a member of the Theosophical Society for over 30 years and I
>>>>never read this before. This is one of the most important documents that
>>>>deals with theosophy, the path, and truth.
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>>>>Don't you all agree?
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>>>>Rudy
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>>>I have been a member for almost 30 years myself, and no, I don't.
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>>>Jerry S.
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>>Could you tell me what it is that you don't like about Krishnamurti's
>>decision to close down the "Order of the Star"?
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>>Rudy
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>I applaud his decision, but I don't see why his speech should be
>considered "one of the most important documents" of the TS. In
>fact, Pasadena and ULT don't have much to say about K at all
>and could care less about his pathless path. BTW, the idea of
>a pathless path is well known in Zen and was not original with
>K, nor was his idea of organizations. Organizations, as Zen
>teaches, are fingers pointing to Truth, not Truth itself. K would
>have us throw away perfectly good pointers.
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>Jerry S.

Let me add my 0.02.

One of the things I personally found in K's ideas is that need for
independent thinking, which is not colored by our preferences, prejudices,
opinions, memory etc. when it comes to dealing with non physical matters.

I also agree that there is nothing new under the sun. All is re-discovery.
So if the pathless path is well known in Zen then it is not a surprise at
all. It is reiteration of re-presentation of the fact so that one is does
not look for a path and so any path anyone describes has to be taken with a
grain of salt and one has to decide for oneself whether the path is real or
path is false or one does not know one or the other.

I don't know if anything to point to Truth. If Truth is a fixed point or
something then there could be pointers.

I think the fundamental basis is the need for each one of us to inquire
independently and orginally without anyone or anything leading us.

One of these days or may be in this or the next manvantara, when we realize
what T/truth is really is, we may be able to come back and say for certain
what T/truth is. Until such time, everything is second hand and/or just
speculation.

mkr