Theos-Talk Archives (November 1997 Message tt00110)

As a reply to a request I am sending in this text:

An introduction of the first stanza of Völuspá.

This text was written to be presented on an IRC channel.
On the IRC channels, individuals are presented with a "nick-name"
<^S^> is a nick-name.
It has not been decided, if we will continue with our experiment on IRC.
Our first experiment was partly successful.

We will in time, continue with Völuspá in a mail-list.

This text presented here is very incomplete, but if someone wants to use the
text, then that is welcome.

that it has the same meaning as the word "Round" - of seven root races.
The word World Period is used by some, as it means one incarnation of
our Heavenly Man - The First Kumara - Ýmir.

I should mention, that for a period, The Ancient Northern School was
also in Germany.

My mind gets flooded by needed additions to the text, when I begin to reflect
on the subject.

Theosophy. ? I can best reply with few sentences from "The Secret Doctrine."

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"In the Scandinavian Cosmogony -- placed by Professor Max Muller, in point
of time, as "far anterior to the Vedas" in the poem of Völuspá
( the song of the propetess ), the Mundane egg is again discovered....p.367..I

"The Scandinavian legends of creation, of our earth and world, begin with
time and human life".....p.427..I

"The Ases of Scandinavia, the rulers of the world which preceded ours"...
p.97..II
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Best wishes,

Sveinn Freyr
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<^S^> Some thoughts on The first Stanza of Völuspá. Paragraphs by Sveinn
Freyr, Reykjavík, Iceland.

<^S^> 1. In ancient times from which we have legends but not historical
records, there were in existence philosophical and anthropological schools
for those seeking the esoteric path. Those who studied at these schools were
students in "The Ancient Wisdom Teaching". One of these schools was the
Ancient Northern School.

<^S^> 2. These schools presented the Teaching in different ways according
to the mentality of the peoples and the cyclic inheritance from far past
periods. The Ancient Northern School had branches in Scandinavia and Russia,
and relations with The School in Tíbet.

<^S^> 3. In The Northern School the teaching was mostly given orally and
instructions from texts were in brief sentences that needed further
introductions. Written text was learned by heart. The Teaching was ethical
and metaphysical but emphasis was also on faculty training.

<^S^> 4. We do not have many old texts that directly connect us to The
Northern School. But one of the most important is: "The Book of The King".
The content of that book is commonly known by the name "Völuspá". The
Teaching is also classified as "Mímisspá" and "Völuspá".

<^S^> 5. The word Mímisspá means: The Speech of The Cosmic Spirit of The
Heavenly Man. The word Völuspá means: The speech of The Prophetess. In this
connection it is proper to mention that the meaning of the word Prophetess
is not always the same. Sometimes the story is told and sometimes a
challenge is made. It is left to the intuition of the student to know the
difference there between.

<^S^> 6. Völuspá is written in 66 or 67 numbered verses. Usually each verse
has eight sentences. The Poem is also written in a slightly different way in
two other books: One by Snorri Sturluson ( 1179 - 1241 ) who called the
Wisdom Poem "Ancient Sciences" and in another book: Hauksbók. There are
minor differences in texts between the verses in these books.

<^S^> 7. In the period when Snorri Sturluson wrote, all men who were
considered wise, had learned Völuspá by heart and many other wisdom poems
now lost to us. Snorri was adopted when young and brought up in a
"Scholastic Center" where these "Ancient Sciences" were known an taught.

<^S^> 8. The Book of The King begins with Mímisspá: The Commanding Speech
of The Valfather to all beings of all ranks in the high worlds, to prepare
for a new and another descend to the three denser worlds of personality
evolution. The period of rest had come to an end. Humanity as a whole, was
at this time, not in the three worlds of person evolution.

<^S^> 9. Mankind had experienced a nature catastrophe in the end of the
last World Period; of cyclic evolution of races in the physical world. And
on a mass scale, had entered the etheric dimension of the physical world and
the next world; the Astral World. From the Astral World, men had also in
periods and on a mass scale ascended up to the lower Mental World.

<^S^> 10. From the lower Mental World men ascended to the higher Mental
World and then from there to the realms of the Souls. At that point in the
cyclic periods of descend and ascend; the rebirth and death of the human
race, there came a long period of rest for the many.

<^S^> 11. The physical, the astral, and the lower mental worlds were vacant
of men, when The Command of The Heavenly Man for descent was given. But its
etheric "presence"; the etheric substances were imbued with the past and
Humanity would have to deal with that, in the coming descent, and in its
next effort to ascend out of the denser worlds.

<^S^> 12. It is because of this difficult task ahead that The Valfather
advises men to learn by knowing and understanding the history of the far
past ancient cycles, and instructs us to learn a lesson from the "ancient
misconduct of men". It is to this task that He gives us insight in His far
past and the constitutions of the worlds and the subdivisions. It is for
this prime reason that The Teaching in Völuspá is given, and emphasis is
laid on ethics, understanding of the evolution and the work of the etheric
builders.


<EBT> Didn't see #12.
<woden> 12 ends with: ethics, understaanding
<A|aria> 12 is to long
<^S^> hm..
<^S^> I will type what is missing.
<A|aria> ok
<^S^> understanding of the evolution and the work of the etheric builders.
<^S^> EBT...did you get the text..?
<EBT> yes
<EBT> Is there more or are we ready to start commenting?
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<^S^> there are 25 paragraps
<Donni_> hi all, sorry I´late..:)
<^S^> I think we should continue...

<^S^> 12. It is because of this difficult task ahead that The Valfather
advises men to learn by knowing and understanding the history of the far
past ancient cycles, and instructs us to learn a lesson from the "ancient
misconduct of men". It is to this task that He gives us insight in His far
past and the constitutions of the worlds and the subdivisions. It is for
this prime reason that The Teaching in Völuspá is given, and emphasis is
laid on ethics, understanding of the evolution and the work of the etheric
builders.

<^S^> 13. We are told that: The descent of Humanity to the personality
worlds took place when the sun was in "The South". And prior to the decent;
that the balance of the poles was not in order. That the Zodiac magnet was
not in order. That the physical world was going through a revolt. And that
the many etheric builders were active.

<^S^> 14. Ýmir, The Cosmic Born Heavenly Man had descended with His host,
to lead men to the denser worlds of forms. He manifested in the highest
subplanes of the physical world, taking on with men the burden of all who
suffer and the struggle with all who strive. Ýmir is Mímir personified. A
Cosmic Spirit personified in human etheric form, in the highest ethers of
our planetary system; The Father of Valhöll.

<^S^> 15. When The Giant Ýmir took hold of His Etheric Palace Valhöll.
Another Cosmic born Giant, from The Cosmic Forces of Chaos, was summoned by
that Force, to confront Him. That Giant took hold with His host, in the
lowest subplanes of the threefold dense worlds, and The Battle was in hand.
Men must battle with etheric gravity, and evolutionary resistance, and build
on a higher scale in each new World Period.

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<^S^> 16. The battlefield is in the threefold persons-worlds of men, and
the battle is about men, their values, what they live for; the harvest in
the end of subcycles and in the end of The World Period. The battle is
between two opposite Cosmic Born Giants of extreme power, and is about the
question if; men can or can not live by ethical principles, and by the way
of wise love and understanding. Every man and every group will be tested
when fully grown and mentally mature.

<^S^> 17. We are given insight in the far past Cosmic Cycles which have
their lesser reflections in the Solar Systemic periods of descent and
ascend. In these ancient cycles our Valfather has taken part, and so have we
done, with Him. These Systemic Cycles pattern down to many and varied lesser
cycles which have a reflection to the Cosmic period.

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<^S^> EBT...what did you miss..?
<EBT> I was on the one where the descent of humanity to the personality
worlds was mentioned.
<EBT> Then my phone hung up again.
<^S^> was that in no 13..?
<^S^> EBT...was that in no..13..?
<^S^> can you see that please
<EBT> Not sure, but don't hold up things for me. I seem to have a bad phone
line
this morning and could be disconnected yet again.
<^S^> I will start again no 13


<^S^> 17. We are given insight in the far past Cosmic Cycles which have
their lesser reflections in the Solar Systemic periods of descent and
ascend. In these ancient cycles our Valfather has taken part, and so have we
done with Him. These Systemic Cycles pattern down to many and varied lesser
cycles which have a reflection to the Cosmic period.

<^S^> 18. It is in the Pattern of Planetary descent and ascend that we have
the World Periods of Races, manifesting at first on the physical plane the
embryonic "primitive" race and subraces. (This may be compared to the period
when a human being, lives in the first seven years and works trough the
etheric brain cells used in the last incarnation.) And then in the end the
highest race and subraces of culture and spiritual achievement.

<^S^> 19. It is in The World Periods of Races that Nations are born.
Nations are borne and descend to their Global place of location and manifest
through their inherent etheric glandular system; in some ways similar to
that of a man. Nations keep within their etheric builders the seeds of
events from ancient periods. Nations can call on humans, and groups of
humans in the higher worlds to fulfill their destiny. Thus will The Ancient
Wisdom Schools be remanifested.

<^S^> 20. There are many translations of the text from "The Book of The
King". Most are done also in an effort to get the powerful rhythm which is
in the original text. The powerful rhythm can not be transferred in a
translation. The first Stanza has eight sentences. The translation here
given is numbered, one number for each sentence. The Icelandic text is also
given.

<^S^> 21. - 1. Silence to all - 2. Of Holy kind - 3. Greater and lesser
- 4. Of all ranks in High Worlds - 5. I, The Father of Valhöll, will - 6

<^S^> 22. - 1. Hljóđs biđ ek allar - 2. Helgar kindir, - 3. Meiri ok
minni - 4. Mögu Heimdalar; 5. Vildu, at ek, Valföđr, - 6. Vel fyr telja
- 7. Forn spjöll fira, - 8. Ţau er fremst um man.

<^S^> 23. By those who classify the text in two main parts (Mímisspá and
Völuspá), the first verse and also the second verse belong to Mímisspá; The
Speech of The Heavenly Man. The command to men of all ranks in the High
Worlds, is not only to those in the world of souls; it is also to many of
those who have not yet in this Greater Cycle, descended to the world of
souls (and from there to personality evolution) and dwell in the Diamond
World, the world of Spirit or Monad.

<^S^> 24. The events and the many factors that relate to the misconduct of
men are dealt with in the later verses classified to Völuspá. The
misconducts we are told, are mainly threefold: Misuse of magic knowledge,
greed, and perverted desires. These misconducts eventually led to the
decline of effort to culture, and to a corrupted civilization. Wars broke
out between the two opposite hosts of The Giants. None had victory.

<^S^> 25. We will now prepare to take a look at the next Stanza. In That
Stanza The Valfather tells his birth in former Solar Systems. About the Nine
Worlds and the Nine Subdivisions of each world. And about the Most Subtle
World. At this point we can deplore that we do not have the detailed text
of Sćmundur Fróđi. What we have are memory notes from those who learned at
the "Scholastic Center". "Fragments from the notes of the Headmaster".