Theos-Talk Archives (November 1997 Message tt00038)

Nov1st 1997

Dear Annette:

 No "debate" believe me. Fair exchange ?

 Yes, terms can be different, or, we put different interpretations on the
meaning and presentation of wods and sentences. That gets smoothed out in
time as we converse and adjust our common fields of experience.

 Also, yes we are environed by our own natures and then another circle is
the thoughts, feelings, desires and urgings of others, near or remote from
us. And some are pleasant and others are dangerous for us and others. So
we have to discriminate, don't we ?

 Why not use a sheet of paper, divide it into 2 and put on left or right
those diverging elements we know we have or lack -- such a practice
(reserved for ones' self) can begin to give a greater insight into our
assets and liabilities as people. We have so many factors working in us,
and some we understand and others appear to be overwhelming in conflict
with what we sense is "right." This process has worked for me to get me to
know at least what I have so far accomplished, and where I need to work to
progress more. It is an ever on-going thing for all of us.

 So I believe that the best thing to do is to get as much straightened out,
on paper is good as it puts it down where we can see it as we can -- then
make any chages from that point onward we want to.

 I look at what I just wrote: You and I are {to ourselves} the spectatorof
1. our bodies, 2, our feelings, 3, our desires, 4, our minds. We either
have some areas of ease and some of confusion -- which my not be identical
at all, but, are similar. All I am saying is that if we gather our natures
up for review we will have a better idea of what we cna and ought to do,
ideally.

 No. I did not mean to do nothing. I meant rather, to wiat for the
appropriate time How to do this unless we know for a certainty what should
be done, and whether we are equipped to do it. I would not care tosail out
on an ocean with someone who had no experience in sailing ( assuming that I
have little or none myself -- in this life)

 Hope this makes clearer my meaning Dal

> Date Sunday, November 02, 1997 4:06 AM
> From libidia <libidium@globalserve.net>
> Subject Re:Babies, Bathwater, and Bailey
>
> Dallas TenBroeck wrote:
> >
> Dear Dallas: You wrote:
SELF " --
> (snip)
> > All our past errors seem sometimes to gather strength and like an
enormous
> > wave of emotion try to overwhelm our minds and sense of identity. But
if
> > we hold to the idea: "This will pass." we can withstand any such
"attack."
> > We are PERMANANT. They are not.
> Our teminology differs but I give no disagreement with you here. I
> think what I am experiencing is being told not only that I am ready and
> strong enough to deal with my own past errors (or inner demons) and have
> had enough assistance, but also that "chaos is out there" and it's time
> to get off my butt and affect the wider process. Not just be in it.
> Affect it. Manifest it. This is a responsibility and task simpletons
> like me have to be dragged into, kicking and screaming.
>
> I cannot agree with you this moment in the concept of "this will pass".
> some process. It seems to require action. Action in telling someone
> how you feel and what you are experiencing, to invite them to tell you
> their process. Teacher to teacher, student to student, and all
> permutations. Different. Action in doing it differently than before,
> in the fervent hope that you're getting it right this time. A feeling
> that time is running out and it's time to get prepared for the next
> stage. For some of us who have been confidently verbose all our lives,
> worry now about what we say and when. A pull away from the strictly
> rational and scientifc to the mystical and intuitive, whether we feel
> comfortable in it or not.
>
> Different in my perception at this time. No different for others who
> have been there before?
>
> A faith in the higher self and the ability to pass through is a great
> comfort and sustenance for "staying with the program". Can it be the be
> all and end all? Acceptance of permanence, O.K. The truth, the
> explanation for it all? I've not reached that far in understanding yet.
> Those on the list who have been this route, hopefully smile benevolently
> watching another come to it. Others I hope delete.
>
> I enjoy very much all your writings and wisdom, Dallas. Can't debate
> your texts. Sorry. Not the right time for me.
> Cheers. Annette